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Subject: Re: Extensions..... all sorts.

Author: Andrew Williams

Date: 12:16:24 06/22/99

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On June 22, 1999 at 14:46:16, James Swafford wrote:

>On June 21, 1999 at 14:35:22, Andrew Williams wrote:
>
>>On June 21, 1999 at 13:53:48, James Robertson wrote:
>>
>>>My program does check, recapture, and pawn push extensions, but I have heard
>>>that many programs do a lot more. I think Gromit said he does something like 10
>>>different extensions?
>>>
>>>Could someone please tell me what different kinds of extensions are sometimes
>>>used? It would be cool to try them out on my program.
>>>
>>>James
>>
>>I do the above plus null move mate threat (when the null move search returns
>>a -MATE score, I extend by a ply). I also have a single response to check
>>extension, if there's only one way of getting out of check - but I don't
>>allow too many of these in one search. I've also recently tried re-searching
>>with one ply extra if I'm about to take a beta cutoff, but my null move search
>>suggested I would lose a Piece if I "passed". This doesn't seem to be doing
>
>I'm not sure I understand this.  If null_score-alpha>=some_piece_value,
>&& you're about to fail high, you extend *instead* of returning beta?
>

That's right. I should have been clearer that this isn't my idea. Rather it
comes from Chrilly Donninger's paper on null move:

Null Move and Deep Search, C Donninger, ICCAJ vol 16 no 3, September 1993.

But now I'm looking at the paper in detail, it looks like I've made a mistake
in this because Donninger is using the *static* score for the position rather
than the score returned by the search. However, I'm sure that there's a solid
basis for doing it my way - I think that this extension provides a measure of
protection for cases where I'm simply "putting off" some problem by interposing
silly moves - but I'm going to test it by doing it "properly" to make sure.
Incidentally, I think the idea was described in the way I've implemented it on
CCC in the last couple of weeks. It was that which made me re-implement it. I
can't remember the title of the thread or who wrote the message though. Sorry
if this post is a bit confused and confusing :)


Andrew Williams


>
>
>>any harm (which makes a change) so I'm leaving it in at the moment. I'm messing
>>about a lot with my extensions at the moment (not very successfully), so I'd
>>also be interested in what others do.
>>
>>Also, there was a message just after the Rebel-Rohde match where Ed Schroeder
>>gave a few hints as to what he does - might be worth looking at that for some
>>very interesting ideas.
>>
>>Andrew Williams



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