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Subject: Re: What is the difference between a Celeron and a PIII, chesswise?

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 15:46:54 07/02/99

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On July 02, 1999 at 17:26:55, Sarah Bird wrote:

>On July 02, 1999 at 16:56:01, Robin Smith wrote:
>
>>On July 02, 1999 at 16:00:53, Derek Bays wrote:
>>
>>>On July 01, 1999 at 19:34:30, Robin Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>A Celeron running at both the same processor and memory bus speeds should be
>>>>about the same for chess as a P III at the same clock speed.  For small, fast
>>>>programs like Fritz the Celeron even has a slight edge due to it's full speed
>>>>cache.
>>>>
>>>>A really good, fairly inexpensive chess computer can be made by taking a 300A
>>>>Celeron and over-clocking to the equivalent of 450 Mhz.  I have successfully
>>>>built 3 such machines and every one over-clocked just fine.
>>>>
>>>>For slow search, large knowledge programs the bigger cache size of the AMD
>>>>processor is probably the best.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello Mr. Smith, What type of motherboard were you using with your Celerons?
>>>I am ordering an ASUS P2-99B and I will attempt to overclock my 366A to
>>>400+ MHZ any suggestions as to mainboards or settings?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance, -Derek
>>
>>I used both Abit BM6 and Abit BH6.  Both are designed with over-clockers in
>>mind.  ASUS also has good motherboards, but I have not used them.  Ironically
>>the 300A has better results as an overclocker if you want to get to a 100MHz FSB
>>speed because you can't change the internal multiplier on Celerons and the 300A
>>is only 4.5X.  The 366A, at 5.5X clock multiplier, could never get to 100MHz FSB
>>speed (it would have to run internally at 550MHz!).
>
>I also use a celery !! to end this subject if you want to o/c your cel check.
>http://www.overclockers.com/
>http://discussions.hardwarecentral.com/
>http://triptonics.hypermart.net/lab/
>http://home.tampabay.rr.com/jbogush/
>Sarah

Add http://www.sharkyextreme.com/ where you can can find long "how to", hardware
review & lowest cpu price articles related to overclocking.  The trouble with
"cooking celery" is you must go through a lot of trouble for little gain.
Example:

 $53 Celeron 300A
$102 ABIT BX6 rev 2 motherboard - less stable than AOPEN motherboard
 $12 Intel cooling fan - overclocking generates heat!
----
$165 Total

 $92 450 K6-2
 $73 EPOX EP-MVP3G-M motherboard - Best super7 mother board & cheap too!
----
$167 Total

Now if you really want to do things right, a high quality cooling fan costs $50
plus, so price wise "cooking celery" is not worth it.  When you consider that
the K6-2 is faster for many chess playing programs, why go through the trouble?
True, since the ABIT can accept the P3 if you decide to upgrade, but then you
have compromised on motherboard quality.



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