Author: Mark Young
Date: 05:48:11 07/29/99
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On July 29, 1999 at 04:49:59, Terry Ripple wrote:
>On July 29, 1999 at 01:18:25, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On July 29, 1999 at 00:57:44, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On July 28, 1999 at 22:20:25, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi -
>>>>for all legal customers of CSTal2 WIN
>>>>I have a nice
>>>>surprise:
>>>>if you want to make your program into a beast
>>>>(killing many famous programs)
>>>>than you only need the following style and version:
>>>>version 2.03 and my style.
>>>>
>>>>The following games have been MANUALLY
>>>>outplayed a few
>>>>moments ago on 400 Mhz AMD k6 machines.
>>>>The level was 40/120.
>>>>
>>>>Look how early and easily CSTal2 WIN gets advantage
>>>>against the opponent program:
>>>>
>>>>[Event "40/120 k6/400"]
>>>>[Site "?"]
>>>>[Date "1999.07.29"]
>>>>[Round "1"]
>>>>[White "Hiarcs7.32"]
>>>>[Black "CSTal2.03"]
>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>[ECO "C00"]
>>>>[Annotator "CSTal2.03"]
>>>>[PlyCount "39"]
>>>>
>>>>{40960kB, Hiarcs.ctg. AMD K6-2/400
>>>>} 1. e4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Nf3 d4 4. Nb5 Nc6
>>>>5. c3 {0.11/10} 5... e5 6. cxd4 {0.06/10} 6... exd4 7. Qa4 {0.18/10} 7... Bc5
>>>>8. Bc4 {-0.01/9} 8... a6 9. b4 {-0.09/9} 9... Bb6 10. Na3 {-0.40/10} 10... Bd7
>>>>11. O-O {-0.19/10} 11... Qe7 12. b5 {0.15/10} 12... Na5 13. Bd3 {-0.01/10}
>>>>13... Nf6 14. Bb2 {-0.13/10} 14... O-O 15. Nxd4 {-0.14/8} 15... Qd6 16. Bc2 {
>>>>-0.59/8} 16... Rfd8 17. Nf5 {-0.25/8} 17... axb5 18. Nxd6 {0.02/9} 18... bxa4
>>>>19. d3 {-0.06/10}
>>>
>>>I do not understand this horrible move.
>>>My Hiarcs7.32 shows Nac4 -0.08/10 and not d3 but I did not ply the all game
>>>manually and only gave it the game and told it to analyze the position after
>>>18...bxa4 so it could not learn during the game.
>>>
>>>Did tal hypnotize Hiarcs?))
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>My Hiarcs 7.32 plays the same move Nac4, and also see after the move 19. d3 it
>>is losing big at depth 1 and with a time of 00:00:00. It seems that most of the
>>blunders I see with Hiarcs 7.32 are played using a AMD chip. I wonder if there
>>can be a connection? (overclocking??, or something with the chip itself?)
>>-------------
>Hi Mark and Uri,
> I`am using a AMD K6-2/266Mhz and i set my time control for 40/150min. to make
>up for a little of our speed differences plus i manually played through the
>whole game so it could learn through the game and when i got to move 19., it
>played the very same move that your Hiarcs did, 19."Nac4",Nxc4 20.Nxc4,Bc5 etc.
> It saw 19.d3 as a losing move immediately so i would think that you can`t put
>the blame on the AMD chip and that there must be some other factor involved! I
>want to make a note that i`am using a Compaq and didn`t mess with the clock.
Just because it did not play d3 on your amd chip does not mean it could not be
the chip. If this is a problem with the chip, or the autoplayer or something
else and it happens at random it will be hard to track down. d3 is such a clear
blunder it is hard to put this move on Hiarcs 7.32.
It was only a guess on my part about it being the amd chip. and this is because
I have not seen this type of play from hiarcs running on my intel chips. And
most of these bad moves I can not reproduce have been played by Hiarcs it seem
on a AMD chip.
>
>Regards,Terry
>>
>>Hiarcs7.32 - CSTal2.03
>>r2r2k1/1ppb1ppp/1b1N1n2/n7/p3P3/N7/PBBP1PPP/R4RK1 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Hiarcs 7.32:
>>
>>19.Bxf6 gxf6
>> = (0.10) depth: 1 00:00:00
>>19.Bxf6 gxf6
>> = (0.10) depth: 2/6 00:00:00
>>19.Bxf6 gxf6 20.Rfb1 Bc6 21.Ndc4
>> = (-0.09) depth: 3/8 00:00:00
>>19.Bxf6 gxf6 20.Ndc4 Bd4
>> = (-0.09) depth: 4/11 00:00:00
>>19.Bxf6 gxf6 20.Ndc4 Bc5 21.Nxa5 Rxa5
>> = (-0.17) depth: 5/13 00:00:00 12kN
>>19.Bxf6 gxf6 20.Ndc4
>> = (-0.17) depth: 6/14 00:00:00 27kN
>>19.Nac4 Nxc4 20.Nxc4 Bc5 21.d4 Bb4
>> = (-0.08) depth: 6/14 00:00:01 79kN
>>19.Nac4 Nxc4 20.Nxc4 Bc5 21.d4 Bb4 22.a3 Be7
>> = (-0.06) depth: 7/20 00:00:03 212kN
>>19.Nac4 Nxc4 20.Nxc4 Bc5 21.d4 Be7
>> = (0.03) depth: 8/25 00:00:11 624kN
>>19.Nac4 Nxc4 20.Nxc4 Bc5 21.d4 Bb4 22.a3 Be7 23.f4 Bb5 24.Bd3
>> = (-0.10) depth: 9/25 00:00:25 1390kN
>>19.Nac4 Nxc4 20.Nxc4 Bc5 21.d4 Bb4 22.a3 Be7 23.Rfb1 Bb5 24.Ne5 c5
>> = (-0.08) depth: 10/29 00:01:51 4606kN
>>19.Nac4 Nxc4 20.Nxc4 Bc5
>> = (-0.08) depth: 11/30 00:04:46 10969kN
>>
>>(Young, 7/29/99)
>>
>>
>>Hiarcs7.32 - CSTal2.03
>>r2r2k1/1ppb1ppp/1b1N1n2/n7/p3P3/N2P4/PBB2PPP/R4RK1 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Hiarcs 7.32:
>>
>>19...cxd6 20.Bxf6 gxf6
>> -+ (-3.49) depth: 1 00:00:00
>>19...cxd6 20.Bxf6 gxf6
>> -+ (-3.49) depth: 2/5 00:00:00
>>19...cxd6 20.Bxf6 gxf6
>> -+ (-3.49) depth: 3/7 00:00:00
>>19...cxd6 20.Bxf6 gxf6
>> -+ (-3.42) depth: 4/7 00:00:00
>>19...cxd6 20.Bxf6 gxf6
>> -+ (-3.42) depth: 5/13 00:00:00 7kN
>>19...cxd6 20.Bxf6 gxf6
>> -+ (-3.32) depth: 6/19 00:00:00 27kN
>>19...cxd6 20.Bxf6
>> -+ (-3.07) depth: 7/23 00:00:00 57kN
>>19...cxd6 20.Bxf6 gxf6
>> -+ (-2.98) depth: 7/23 00:00:01 76kN
>>19...cxd6 20.Bxf6 gxf6
>> -+ (-3.11) depth: 8/25 00:00:03 214kN
>>19...cxd6 20.Bxf6 gxf6
>> -+ (-3.03) depth: 9/25 00:00:09 517kN
>>19...cxd6 20.Bxf6 gxf6
>> -+ (-3.09) depth: 10/29 00:00:36 1836kN
>>
>>(Young, 7/29/99)
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