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Subject: Re: Zugzwang!

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 11:57:36 07/29/99

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On July 29, 1999 at 14:22:03, Herman Hesse wrote:

>On July 29, 1999 at 13:39:07, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>I don't believe that you should directly link winning percentage and ce.
>
>Should ?
>
>>Whenever I add new games to my database, I see that winning percentage changes
>>for each opening position.  Now, has the value of the position changed any?
>
>No, simply the percentage is now more accurate (accepting the obvious
>inexactitude).
Or less accurate, depening upon how the players fared and their ability and a
thousand other random variables.

>>Certainly not.  There clearly should be some relationship between a good move
>>and winning percentage by good players and computers.  But I don't think there
>>is an invertible function between the two numbers.
>
>You don't think ?
Actually, I *know* that such a function does not exist, since no mapping can be
one to one and onto for a vector valued function described as above with the
limnitiations I have clearly disclosed.

>Please use logical constructs to illustrate rather than these bland opinions. No
>purpose is being served by all opinion and no content.
>
>>
>>When choosing a chess move, I think the computer's evaluation of the position
>>should be considered together with win expectancy from your database.  If both
>>agree on what is the best move, then go for it.  If they disagree, maybe we
>>should look harder at subsequent alternatives.
>
>Didn't you miss the point of the Amir Ban post? That instead of counting pawns
>at each node there may be a different way to represent the nodal value as
>win/loss chance. Your belief in non-invertible function between the two values
>doesn't seem useful or relevent.

Here is the entire quotation from Amir:
"A correct evaluation is one that matches the winning percentages of the
position. I think white has about 54% in serious play, and if so the evaluation
should be about +0.20."

I disagree that winning percentage is the correct and only variable to map to
centipawn evaluation.




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