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Subject: Re: Not much about the Rebel Game

Author: Micheal Cummings

Date: 02:15:08 08/15/99

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On August 15, 1999 at 04:47:50, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On August 15, 1999 at 03:25:48, Micheal Cummings wrote:
>
>>After seeing two draws and a loss for Rebel, my second favorite program after
>>CM6K is sadly becoming sorry to look at. I do not think that this is a good
>>sales pitch for Rebel. Its fine getting the publicity in playing these games,
>>but if you cannot get a win then things start to get old real fast.
>>
>>The first two games drew some comment in CCC. But I have seen very little with
>>this third game. I think that if after 5 games Rebel has not won and it is still
>>being played on the same hardware, either change the plan or dump it. Rebel can
>>not become a program that tries to compete against strong humans and does not
>>win.
>>
>>I know more games needed to be played with humans against computers and this is
>>great. But my current view of Rebel and the upcoming Rebel windows realease is
>>that the partnership with chesspartner interface is a step down and I think the
>>current non winning Rebel on powerful hardware is not doing it any service.
>>
>>Lets hope rebel can turn this down period around and get back on track. I am
>>many others like winners. Appearence is everything. And Rebel is not appearing
>>well at the moment. Lets hope this changes in Rebels favour soon.
>
>GM Sorin said Rebel played very well. Yesterday GM Rohde told me he hadn't
>seen Rebel make one single bad move. Personally I am very satisfied with
>these 2 draws in a row. I have seen these GM's at Aegon crushing computers
>and I was always impressed in the way they did that, slowly killing the
>silicon on positional grounds.
>
>GM's are by far superior when the topic is understanding the game of chess
>and that will remain for a very long time and maybe even after 100 years.
>
>Two years ago the discussion was, do computers play at IM level. We seem
>to have passed this discussion as we now wonder about the GM strength.
>
>I have to much respect for GM's and their skills of chess to say Rebel
>plays on GM level yet. Let's wait for next games.
>
>Ed Schroder

Hi Ed

You are right, but I am just a bit sad that Rebel has not won yet. Rebel 10 I
like, along with CM6K. But would you say that Rebel would outplay a GM or would
it be that a GM would stuff up and Rebel would take advantage of it.

On the current hardware which do you think your program would be. Outplay, or
win from a GM stuff up.



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