Author: Mark Young
Date: 09:46:07 08/15/99
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On August 15, 1999 at 12:28:04, James T. Walker wrote: >On August 15, 1999 at 11:34:57, Terry Presgrove wrote: > >>On August 15, 1999 at 03:25:48, Micheal Cummings wrote: >> >>>After seeing two draws and a loss for Rebel, my second favorite program after >>>CM6K is sadly becoming sorry to look at. I do not think that this is a good >>>sales pitch for Rebel. Its fine getting the publicity in playing these games, >>>but if you cannot get a win then things start to get old real fast. >>> >>>The first two games drew some comment in CCC. But I have seen very little with >>>this third game. I think that if after 5 games Rebel has not won and it is still >>>being played on the same hardware, either change the plan or dump it. Rebel can >>>not become a program that tries to compete against strong humans and does not >>>win. >>> >>>I know more games needed to be played with humans against computers and this is >>>great. But my current view of Rebel and the upcoming Rebel windows realease is >>>that the partnership with chesspartner interface is a step down and I think the >>>current non winning Rebel on powerful hardware is not doing it any service. >>> >>>Lets hope rebel can turn this down period around and get back on track. I am >>>many others like winners. Appearence is everything. And Rebel is not appearing >>>well at the moment. Lets hope this changes in Rebels favour soon. >> >> Your desire to see computer programs defeat GM's has clouded your reasoning. >> Wishing, hope, and wanting doesn't always make it so. A game now and then won >> by Comps at longer time controls doesn't make a program a GM. The hard data is >> just not in yet. Patience, Michael is a virtue which I too lack. We humans >> want what we want right now! But experience says things take time and over time >> the top programs will sooner or later demonstrate that they are at GM >> strength. It will happen but no one knows for sure when. That is what Ed is >> doing now, he has challenged the GM community at large, the gauntlet has been >> thrown down. And when enough games have been played we will know for sure but >> until then have just a little patience. >> >> TP >> his program as a > >Hello Terry, >Well said. Personlly, I am pleased with the results of Rebel so far. I believe >in the first game GM Rhode stumbled into a "weakness" of Rebel which served it's >purpose (It has been fixed). The next two games were drawn and prove Rebel can >play with the GM's. After all who but a GM can play even with a GM? I'm >wishing also for a win from Rebel but I think the odds are stacked against it. >The conditions of the match favor the GM's as far as preparation goes, so if >Rebel can play even with the GM's at this time I think it's great. More >data/games are needed of course and thanks to Rebel(Ed Shroder) this is >happening. >Jim Walker DITTO to all the above. GM Rhode got lucky in the first game, now after a major hole in Rebel has been patched. Rebel is playing some strong chess from start to finish. Rebel is giving the GM's nothing POSITIONALLY and YES this is at 40/2. Rebel is showing if you want to beat it, the Grandmaster's are going to have to risk something. Rebel is no longer handing out free wins to the Grandmaster. If Rebel can keep drawing the GMs when they play this style of chess, (waiting for the program to make a mistake and collect an easy win) Rebel in the long run will come out on top and will win a few game and not lose many at all.
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