Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 20:13:37 08/19/99
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On August 19, 1999 at 22:42:05, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On August 19, 1999 at 21:27:50, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>Name one GM player that would play another GM in a real game, and not call >>"flag" when the flag falls. This isn't a 'sportsmanship' issue. Because >>'sportsmanship' has _nothing_ to do with violating specific rules and letting >>that pass... > >we have a different point of view of >sportsmanship and fairness and "violating specific rules" whatever this >sentence means. >i have seen ed playing against a polgar sister. i do not remember >it accurate, but i guess rebel was better and polgar had >less time and he offered a draw. >i have seen this behaviour also somewhere else. >maybe i see chess more like kortschnoi does: more like an art than like >the way YOU define sports. for me winning is not the important thing. >for me the game is the important thing. >i am watching soccer not to see somebody win but to see 90 minutes >interesting match. even better if it is a fair match. >we have a different point of view. i think they are not compatible. >hm. >what do you think is the reason chris and i (also my friend uli) >has this point of view and you and others have your point of view ? >any ideas ? While you're into "simulating human play", why doesn't CSTal occasionally not play any moves at all, and forfeit on time? I just showed up at my club for my tournament game. My clock had 1 hour, 2 minutes on it, and my opponent had already claimed the win with the tournament director. Nothing I could do about it, and I don't consider him a poor sport either. He's just following the rules (in Canada at least, you can claim a win on time if the person does not show up within an hour of the starting time.) I'm guessing that the real reason it flags is simply because it can't abort searching during an iteration, so if it guesses that it has enough time to get one does but turns out not to, it flags. This is a bug, not a simulation of human behavior! (Besides, when the hell did Tal ever lose on time? Maybe his opponents... :-) Re: Ed and the Polgar sister, he offered a draw because Rebel had been pushing wood for a while instead of winning the won position, and he had already declined (at least) one offer from her. He also commented that as made the offer Rebel managed to finally see the way to win, and that had he noticed the score jump from +2 to +4 he would have let it win instead. Or, in other words, the circumstance is completely different from that which we are discussing. Dave
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