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Subject: Re: A Question for Robert Hyatt

Author: Pete Galati

Date: 14:39:45 09/11/99

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On September 11, 1999 at 17:20:44, odell hall wrote:

>On September 11, 1999 at 16:23:30, Pete Galati wrote:
>
>>On September 11, 1999 at 16:07:47, odell hall wrote:
>>
>>>On September 11, 1999 at 15:27:43, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 11, 1999 at 14:05:12, Leon Stancliff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Robert,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  I have been speculating for a long time on what would take place in a match
>>>>>between the top ten computer programs running on easily available machines and
>>>>>the top ten chess players in the USA.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I have been playing my Hiarcs 7 program on a Macintosh G3 at 275 Mhz. It plays
>>>>>almost even with both Data and Singacrafty on ICC.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I have assembled the following list of computer programs from such sources as
>>>>>the SSDF list and the Selective Search list. In your opinion, would Data,
>>>>>Singacrafty or Crafty deserve a position in this list?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Hiarcs 7.32
>>>>>
>>>>>   Fritz 5.32
>>>>>
>>>>>   Chessmaster 6000
>>>>>
>>>>>   Nimzo 99
>>>>>
>>>>>   Chess Tiger 11.8.2
>>>>>
>>>>>   Junior 5
>>>>>
>>>>>   Rebel 10
>>>>>
>>>>>   Shredder 3
>>>>>
>>>>>   Genius 5
>>>>>
>>>>>   MChess Pro 7
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Let's assume that each is running at about 550 Mhz on a single CPU.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   MChess Pro 7
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I wouldn't venture a guess.  If you put crafty on a quad xeon 550, it can beat
>>>>_any_ of those programs.  On equal hardware I really don't know as I don't play
>>>>on 'equal' hardware.  :)
>>>
>>>
>>>  Oh yes!, i would love to see the results of crafty verses the top programs on
>>>equal hardware, It would be interesting to see how it would measure up.
>>
>>Consider that putting Crafty on equal hardware takes away one of it's valuable
>>tools, probably not fair to the nature of Crafty.
>>
>>Pete
>
>  Well, I would think that if the purpose of pitting one program against another
>is to see which program is written best, and has the best playing strength, then
>equal hardware is required, otherwise the test is not valid

I dissagree, Crafty is able to use more than one prossesor so the other programs
can catch up with Crafty or probably loose. Keep in mind that _I_ can't use one
of those Craftys, but it is available, and that can't be done with most of those
other programs.

I don't think that equal is fair at all, but I'm not going to get into a back &
forth discussion about this, so I won't say any more about it.

Pete



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