Author: walter irvin
Date: 14:42:50 09/11/99
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On September 11, 1999 at 17:20:44, odell hall wrote: >On September 11, 1999 at 16:23:30, Pete Galati wrote: > >>On September 11, 1999 at 16:07:47, odell hall wrote: >> >>>On September 11, 1999 at 15:27:43, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On September 11, 1999 at 14:05:12, Leon Stancliff wrote: >>>> >>>>>Robert, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have been speculating for a long time on what would take place in a match >>>>>between the top ten computer programs running on easily available machines and >>>>>the top ten chess players in the USA. >>>>> >>>>> I have been playing my Hiarcs 7 program on a Macintosh G3 at 275 Mhz. It plays >>>>>almost even with both Data and Singacrafty on ICC. >>>>> >>>>> I have assembled the following list of computer programs from such sources as >>>>>the SSDF list and the Selective Search list. In your opinion, would Data, >>>>>Singacrafty or Crafty deserve a position in this list? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hiarcs 7.32 >>>>> >>>>> Fritz 5.32 >>>>> >>>>> Chessmaster 6000 >>>>> >>>>> Nimzo 99 >>>>> >>>>> Chess Tiger 11.8.2 >>>>> >>>>> Junior 5 >>>>> >>>>> Rebel 10 >>>>> >>>>> Shredder 3 >>>>> >>>>> Genius 5 >>>>> >>>>> MChess Pro 7 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let's assume that each is running at about 550 Mhz on a single CPU. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> MChess Pro 7 >>>> >>>> >>>>I wouldn't venture a guess. If you put crafty on a quad xeon 550, it can beat >>>>_any_ of those programs. On equal hardware I really don't know as I don't play >>>>on 'equal' hardware. :) >>> >>> >>> Oh yes!, i would love to see the results of crafty verses the top programs on >>>equal hardware, It would be interesting to see how it would measure up. >> >>Consider that putting Crafty on equal hardware takes away one of it's valuable >>tools, probably not fair to the nature of Crafty. >> >>Pete > > Well, I would think that if the purpose of pitting one program against another >is to see which program is written best, and has the best playing strength, then >equal hardware is required, otherwise the test is not valid you are right if you are talking engine vs engine ,but somewhere you got to take into consideration the fact that crafty can gain from speedup of multi processors ,so if your equal hardware is quad xeon then , they have equal hardware .the programmers should make there programs run on more than 1 processor .they should also use egtb,open book ect ect its part of the game .if you dont put it in , your not going to be the best .crafty has everything a program should have ,plus even though he is not getting paid better support ,than most other programs .i think it is a shame that the other programs dont use smp . also if you want to be absolute and realy get down to engine strength then there should be equal hardware no oppening books no egtb , straight engine power.but i think the open book ,egtb ,smp,learn,ect are all part of what makes up a programs ELO .
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