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Subject: Re: A Question for Robert Hyatt

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:35:28 09/11/99

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On September 11, 1999 at 23:12:57, Eugene Nalimov wrote:

>I beleive the most powerful "off the shelf" SMP x86 system is 8 CPU Xeon system
>that uses Intel Profusion chipset. That chipset was described in Microprocessor
>Report ~2 months ago.
>
>Eugene...


Correct so far as I know.  But they are pricey as hell.  First version
I saw was over 80,000 dollars.  But they were only shipping with the 2 meg
L2 cache processors, which cost about 5K each (5 x 8 = 40K just for the
cpus...)

sounds good however...

just pricey.  :)

And Tim Mann's 21264 is maybe 2x faster than my quad xeon when you factor
in SMP losses due to extra nodes searched.  8-16 of those are simply impossible
to think about.  but 20M nodes per second is suddenly real possible...

>
>On September 11, 1999 at 22:14:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 11, 1999 at 20:19:52, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>
>>>On September 11, 1999 at 20:05:14, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 11, 1999 at 19:50:11, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 11, 1999 at 16:07:47, odell hall wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 11, 1999 at 15:27:43, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On September 11, 1999 at 14:05:12, Leon Stancliff wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Robert,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I have been speculating for a long time on what would take place in a match
>>>>>>>>between the top ten computer programs running on easily available machines and
>>>>>>>>the top ten chess players in the USA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I have been playing my Hiarcs 7 program on a Macintosh G3 at 275 Mhz. It plays
>>>>>>>>almost even with both Data and Singacrafty on ICC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I have assembled the following list of computer programs from such sources as
>>>>>>>>the SSDF list and the Selective Search list. In your opinion, would Data,
>>>>>>>>Singacrafty or Crafty deserve a position in this list?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Hiarcs 7.32
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Fritz 5.32
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Chessmaster 6000
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Nimzo 99
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Chess Tiger 11.8.2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Junior 5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Rebel 10
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Shredder 3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Genius 5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   MChess Pro 7
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Let's assume that each is running at about 550 Mhz on a single CPU.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   MChess Pro 7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I wouldn't venture a guess.  If you put crafty on a quad xeon 550, it can beat
>>>>>>>_any_ of those programs.  On equal hardware I really don't know as I don't play
>>>>>>>on 'equal' hardware.  :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Oh yes!, i would love to see the results of crafty verses the top programs on
>>>>>>equal hardware, It would be interesting to see how it would measure up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, I think the right "equal hardware" should be 16-CPU Alpha 21264. Or (if it
>>>>>happenes that some programs will not run on Alpha), a 8-CPU Xeon.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eugene
>>>>
>>>>Sounds good to me! :-)
>>>>
>>>>Do Intel Paragons consist of x86 chips?
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>I beleive it's not SMP platform.
>>>
>>>Eugene
>>
>>
>>Correct. It is a mesh-connected message passing system.  Each node has 5
>>processors, and four bi-directional communication channels (100mbytes/sec I
>>think, but am not certain).  IE PVM/DCE/MPI/CLINDA/CILK/etc would work on it,
>>but there is _no_ shared memory.



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