Author: odell hall
Date: 15:40:06 09/19/99
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On September 19, 1999 at 13:16:28, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote: >On September 19, 1999 at 09:37:36, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: > >>On September 18, 1999 at 17:44:11, Stephen A. Boak wrote: >> >>>By the way, the Rebel Century Performance Rating for the match today was: >>> >> 2553 << >>>which is certainly in the range of Grandmaster ratings. >> >>Rebel's TPR so far is roughly 2480, which is not GM level. Ten games are not >>enough to know much, but taking into consideration that Rebel is the program >>that scored the best in Aegon over the years, this tpr seems to indicate that >>programs do not reach GM level yet at slow time controls and against motivated >>GMs. One more thing: considering that Rebel played these games with a hardware >>much faster than a P200MMX, it seems clear that the SSDF list is quite inflated, >>maybe by some 150 points. >> >>I think that someone has been saying all this for years. Hi Bob! :) >> >>Looking at the few 40/2 games played so far by programs against strong human >>opponents, I wonder if results wouldn't be similar if played against 2300 >>people. The positional superiority of a 2300 player is still immense, and for >>them it might be a matter of avoiding tactics, as wise IMs and GMs do when >>playing computer programs. Maybe the Elo system works differently for programs? >> >>Aside form this, I don't think it makes sense to use the same opening book in >>comp-comp and in human-comp games. It is quite absurd to play openings that lead >>to positional games, where programs are quite dumb, and this is happening too >>often. Is it not a better idea to build a gambit-like book that tries to open >>the game and play tactics? Same for playing style. A program can afford to play >>the Orthodox against another program, because neither will understand a thing, >>but against a strong human player it's a mistake. Look, for instance, at Rebel-2 >>yesterday. >> >>Enrique > > I truly and sincerly doubt that the positional strength of a 2300 player is >Immense mabey 100pts over the programs, Programs can make horrible positional >blunders But so can't 2300 players and as far as avoiding tactics GMs have a >hard time not getting nabbed in tactics by these top programs, a 2300 player >more than likely will end up prime rib. Your Right lanny, I think also the importance of "positional knowledge" in chess is often overstated, We forget that World champion Kasparov made the statement recently that Tactics Plays a far greater role in chess than what formerly was thought. Position has not done much for the grandmasters who only have one ligitamate win against Rebel!! If Positional knowledge was as meaningul as some would suggest, rebel would not have got this many draws? Everyone is saying Rebel has not beaten the Grandmasters!! , They forget that the grandmasters have not been beating rebel! btw, send me a email, been wanting to chat
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