Author: Mark Young
Date: 17:17:19 09/21/99
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On September 21, 1999 at 19:12:07, odell hall wrote: >On September 21, 1999 at 17:54:55, Mark Young wrote: > >>On September 21, 1999 at 15:00:14, odell hall wrote: >> >>>Hi >>> >>> Has anyone noticed the often bizarre and irresponsible play of Hiarcs7.32? >>>It is hard to believe this program is so celebrated here at CCC, the program has >>>some obvious flaws that I think any Astute Human master could easily exploit. >>>Last night I played it on my AMD k6-2 350 40mb, at 40\1hr, and nearly won, after >>>the game I analyzed with fritz5.32, it pointed out atleast five missed wins on >>>my part. Some may some, "well what are you talking about you lost didn't you"?, >>>True but the point that I am making is that a player of my level should never of >>>had hiarcs in such a position (uscf 1804). Analyzing the game with junior, >>>fritz, and chessmaster they all made superior moves than hiarcs, and avoiding >>>the trouble. If I were a computer chess operator on icc i would not feel >>>comfortable playing hiarcs7.32 against titled players in anything over game\30. >>>Don't get me wrong I am not basing my accessment on just this one game, but >>>many. I think the biggest problem with hiarcs7 is the queenside Castling bug? >>>Here is the Game, to illustrate what I am talking about. >> >>I have not looked at the game yet, but I seen some other say there Hiarcs did >>not play the same moves. And I see you are using an AMD chip, I have found games >>played on the AMD chip that could not be reproduced by an intel chip. >> >>> > Hi Mark > > > I considered this possibility you mentioned, the only thing that makes me >doubt that it is the chip is the fact, that when I play hiarcs7. in computer vs >computer games on my machine it "destroyes" everything. I beat a friend of mine >who has CM6000 in a six game match, this makes me think it is not the chip. I will not try and keep guessing what is going on in this game, but there was some strange things between your scores, times, and evals. Then what I could reproduce. I tried to reproduce some of the moves and evals by playing though the games as if I were playing it myself. I tried again taking the learning file out of Hiarcs. I tried in watch mode. This may just be how hiarcs 7.32 is or this may point to some kind of problem. I will give one example. Your move 21. Hiarcs played h5 and search 511 sec. or 8 1/2 min to do a 8 ply search. My hiarcs never played h5 in this position at ply 8 and I tried many times and many ways, and it only took 4 1/4 mins to hit a 9 ply search. We are about the same speed, I was running a P II 400 with the same hash as you at 39936kB. as I were playing the game. 1r3rk1/p1q3b1/2P1b2p/3n1p2/N3p2P/8/PPQBPPB1/1K1R3R w - - 0 1 Analysis by Hiarcs 7.32: 21...Ne7 22.Be3 +- (1.91) depth: 1 00:00:00 21...Ne7 22.Bc3 +- (2.16) depth: 2/5 00:00:00 21...Ne7 22.Rc1 +- (2.27) depth: 2/11 00:00:00 21...Rfc8 22.Bxe4 +- (2.19) depth: 2/11 00:00:00 21...Rfc8 22.Bh3 Nb4 +- (2.16) depth: 3/11 00:00:00 21...Rfc8 22.Bh3 Nb4 +- (2.16) depth: 4/11 00:00:00 21...Rfc8 22.Bh1 Nb4 23.Bxb4 Rxb4 24.Rc1 +- (1.98) depth: 5/19 00:00:00 12kN 21.h5 +- (2.68) depth: 1 00:00:00 21.h5 +- (1.91) depth: 2/3 00:00:00 21.h5 Rfc8 +- (1.91) depth: 2/3 00:00:00 21.Rhg1 Ne7 +- (1.91) depth: 2/8 00:00:00 21.Rhg1 Ne7 +- (1.91) depth: 3/8 00:00:00 21.h5 Nb4 +- (2.34) depth: 3/8 00:00:00 21.h5 Nb4 +- (2.34) depth: 3/8 00:00:00 21.h5 Nb4 +- (1.98) depth: 4/8 00:00:00 21.h5 Rfc8 22.Rc1 Ne7 23.Be3 Qxc6 24.Bxa7 +- (1.59) depth: 4/12 00:00:00 21.Rhg1 Ne7 +- (1.91) depth: 4/12 00:00:00 21.Rhg1 Ne7 +- (1.91) depth: 5/12 00:00:00 1kN 21.Rhg1 Rfc8 22.Bh1 +- (1.98) depth: 6/12 00:00:00 2kN 21.Rhg1 Nb4 +- (1.73) depth: 7/23 00:00:04 169kN 21.Rhg1 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.b3 Rc8 24.Qc5 Qxc6 +- (1.57) depth: 7/25 00:00:07 251kN 21.Rhg1 Nb4 ± (1.32) depth: 8/25 00:00:51 1788kN 21.Rhg1 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.Bh3 Qf7 24.Ka1 Rc4 25.Nc3 Rxc6 ± (1.26) depth: 8/27 00:01:07 2343kN 21.Rhg1 Nb4 ± (1.01) depth: 9/27 00:04:15 8334kN 21.Rhg1 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.Bf1 Rfb8 24.Rd2 Rc8 25.Nc3 Qxc6 26.Rg3 ± (0.91) depth: 9/29 00:05:19 10524kN 21.Rh3 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.Rg3 Rc4 24.Nc3 Rxc6 25.Rg1 Rc8 ± (0.96) depth: 9/29 00:08:57 17718kN (Young, 9/21/99) In watch mode, after restart. 1r3rk1/p1q3b1/2P1b2p/3n1p2/N3p2P/8/PPQBPPB1/1K1R3R w - - 0 1 Analysis by Hiarcs 7.32: 21.h5 +- (2.68) depth: 1 00:00:00 21.h5 Nb4 +- (2.34) depth: 2/4 00:00:00 21.h5 Nf4 22.Bxf4 Qxf4 +- (2.33) depth: 2/6 00:00:00 21.h5 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 +- (2.34) depth: 3/8 00:00:00 21.h5 Nb4 +- (2.09) depth: 4/10 00:00:00 21.h5 Rfc8 22.Rc1 Ne7 23.Be3 Qxc6 24.Bxa7 +- (1.59) depth: 4/12 00:00:00 21.Qc5 Ne7 22.Rc1 Rfd8 +- (1.90) depth: 4/14 00:00:00 21.Qc5 Rfc8 +- (1.63) depth: 5/19 00:00:01 32kN 21.Qc5 Rfc8 22.Rc1 Nb6 23.Nc3 Qxc6 24.Qxc6 Rxc6 ± (1.40) depth: 5/21 00:00:01 45kN 21.h5 Rfc8 22.Rc1 Ne7 23.Be3 Qxc6 24.Bxa7 +- (1.59) depth: 5/21 00:00:01 52kN 21.Rhg1 Ne7 22.Bc3 Bxc3 23.Qxc3 Qxc6 +- (1.91) depth: 5/21 00:00:02 69kN 21.Rhg1 Rfc8 +- (1.66) depth: 6/21 00:00:04 126kN 21.Rhg1 Rfc8 22.Bh1 Kf7 +- (1.66) depth: 6/23 00:00:05 163kN 21.Rhg1 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.b3 Rc8 24.Qc5 Rcb8 +- (1.79) depth: 7/23 00:00:22 708kN 21.Rhg1 Nb4 +- (1.54) depth: 8/25 00:00:49 1640kN 21.Rhg1 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.Bh3 Rc4 24.Rd7 Qxd7 25.Qxc4 Qf7 26.Qc3 Bxa2+ 27.Kc2 ± (1.35) depth: 8/27 00:01:13 2493kN 21.Rhg1 Nb4 ± (1.10) depth: 9/27 00:04:46 9474kN 21.Rhg1 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.Bf1 Rc4 24.Qxc4 Bxc4 25.Rd7 Qe5 26.Rgxg7+ Qxg7 27.Rxg7+ Kxg7 28.b3 Bb5 29.c7 ± (0.93) depth: 9/29 00:06:17 12506kN (Young, 9/21/99) > > > > > > >>> >>>Event "Match game4"] >>>[Site "?"] >>>[Date "????.??.??"] >>>[Round "?"] >>>[White "Hiarcs7.32"] >>>[Black "O.hall"] >>>[Result "1-0"] >>>[ECO "E61"] >>>[WhiteElo "2595"] >>>[BlackElo "1805"] >>>[Annotator "ohall" >>>[PlyCount "69"] >>> >>>{39936kB, super.ctg. PentiumII >>>} 1. d4 {0} 1... Nf6 {15} 2. c4 {0} 2... g6 {7} >>>3. g3 {0} 3... Bg7 {8} 4. Bg2 {0} 4... O-O {10} 5. Nc3 {0} 5... c6 {9} 6. Qb3 { >>>0.58/9 68} 6... d6 {77} 7. Nf3 {0.56/9 20} 7... Nbd7 {41} 8. Bg5 {0.49/9 131} >>>8... h6 {26} 9. Bd2 {0.49/9 80} 9... e5 {60} 10. dxe5 {0.42/9 71} 10... Nxe5 { >>>73} 11. Nxe5 {0.36/9 59} 11... dxe5 {28} 12. O-O-O {0.34/9 74} 12... Qc7 {40} >>>13. Na4 {-0.03/9 232} 13... b5 {73} 14. cxb5 {0.51/9 173} 14... Be6 {39} 15. >>>Qc2 {0.94/8 68} 15... Rac8 {50} 16. bxc6 {1.07/8 73} 16... Nd5 {43} 17. Kb1 { >>>1.51/9 112} 17... f5 {113} 18. h4 {1.67/8 99} 18... e4 {25} 19. g4 {1.07/9 325} >>>19... Rb8 {24} 20. gxf5 {1.90/8 249} 20... gxf5 {21} 21. h5 {0.90/8 511} 21... >>>Nb4 {63} 22. Bxb4 {-0.40/9 370} 22... Rxb4 {4} 23. Kc1 {-0.87/8 196} 23... Rc4 >>>{206} 24. Nc3 {-1.30/9 80} 24... Qxc6 {9} 25. Rdg1 {-1.41/9 94} 25... Kh7 {124} >>>26. Rh3 {-0.95/8 62} 26... Bd4 {67} 27. Rd1 {-0.74/7 25} 27... Bxf2 {39} 28. e3 >>>{-0.54/8 31} 28... f4 {114} 29. Qxf2 {0.00/9 0} 29... Rxc3+ {177} 30. bxc3 { >>>-0.04/9 0} 30... Qxc3+ {29} 31. Qc2 {1.59/8 37} 31... Qa1+ {74} 32. Kd2 { >>>2.14/8 37} 32... Rd8+ {28} 33. Ke1 {2.60/9 10} 33... Rxd1+ {36} 34. Qxd1 { >>>2.60/9 6} 34... Qxa2 {32} 35. Bxe4+ {6.56/8 37} 1-0
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