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Subject: Re: forward pruning for underpromotions

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 18:43:51 09/21/99

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On September 21, 1999 at 13:17:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 21, 1999 at 03:12:18, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>
>>On September 20, 1999 at 19:36:26, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote:
>>
>>>On September 20, 1999 at 19:05:56, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 20, 1999 at 16:15:46, James Robertson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>My program only generates Queen and Knight promotions, as I have never seen a
>>>>>position where a Bishop/Rook promotion was any good.... I have run across a few
>>>>>nice Knight promotion positions, though.
>>>>
>>>>There are some positions where promoting to a Rook is the only winning move, as
>>>>a Queen promotion would stalemate, and a Knight wouldn't be enough to be able to
>>>>mate the opponent with.  Unfortunately, I don't have any examples. :(
>>>>In any case, such positions are VERY rare.
>>>>
>>>>Jeremiah
>>>
>>>Here there are some examples:
>>>8/1P6/k7/8/1K6/8/8/8 w
>>>8/k1P5/2K5/8/8/8/8/8 w
>>>José.
>>>
>>>P.S. The Saavedra position is more interesting, but I do not have it handy.
>>
>>The following is the Saavedra position as I remember it. It could be this is not
>>the exact position, but the idea is the same. My understanding is the position
>>ocurred in a game, but was not played correctly:
>>
>>8/8/1KP5/3r4/8/8/8/k7 w - - 0 0
>>
>>1.c7 Rd6+ 2.Kb5 Rd5+ 3.Kb4 Rd4+ 4.Kc3 (or 4.Kb3 Rd3+ 5. Kc2 Rd4 transposes) Rd1
>>5.Kc2 Rd4 6.c8R! (6.c8Q? Rc4+!) Ra4 7.Kb3 wins.
>
>
>This isn't needed.  from the tablebases:

??? It's needed when your opponent plays 3...Rd4+. Also, with additional
material on the K-side (e.g. W: Pg4, h3; B: Pg5, h6), a program will not get its
EGTB hit. Then it might be valuable (for a human anyway) to exploit those
programs that do not under-promote.

>
>1. c7 Rd6+ 2. Kb5 Rd5+ 3. Kb4 Kb2 4. c8=Q Rd4+ 5. Kb5 Kb3 6. Qc5
>Rd8 7. Qc4+ Kb2 8. Qe6 Rd2 9. Kc4 Rc2+ 10. Kb4 Kc1 11. Qe1+
>Kb2 12. Qd1 Rc8 13. Qd7 Rb8+ 14. Kc4 Rg8 15. Qe6 Rg2 16. Qe5+
>Kc1 17. Qa1+ Kd2 18. Qb2+ Ke3 19. Qxg2 Kf4 20. Kd5 Ke3 21. Qg4
>Kd2 22. Kc4 Ke3 23. Kc3 Kf2 24. Kd3 Kf1 25. Ke3 Ke1 26. Qe2#
>Qe2# 1-0
>
>promoting to a queen works just fine.  It is a forced mate in 26 from the
>initial position...



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