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Subject: Re: Benchmarks, question about Coppermine

Author: Eelco de Groot

Date: 23:12:35 09/23/99

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On September 23, 1999 at 04:01:38, David Blackman wrote:

>On September 23, 1999 at 00:42:28, Eelco de Groot wrote:
>
>
>>For years second level cache runs at 66 Mhz and recently this was
>>increased to 100 Mhz.
>>
>>The AMD-K6-III is a breakthrough because the second level cache runs
>>at full processor speed. If you have (say) a 450 Mhz K6-III the
>>second level cache will run at 450 Mhz too instead of the old 100 Mhz.
>>
>>Ed Schroder
>
>This second level cache at full processor speed is made up by the marketing
>departments. The L2 on AMD K6-III and Intel Celeron are actually a bit quicker
>than most of the off-chip caches, but nowhere near true CPU clock speed. Celeron
>is usually about 11 clock cycles to L2 cache. K6-III is unpredictable. About 11
>clock cycles is the fastest i saw in testing, but sometimes it was much slower
>for no obvious reason.
>
>The 100MHz or 66MHz off chip caches are also a bit misleading. You might think
>this means an access time of 10ns or 15ns, but most chip sets will actually be
>50ns to 100ns.

David, isn't it strange that there is such variability in results for the
K6-III? I mean if the benchmark would be a simple assembly language program,
what could then cause the differences that you mention?

Thanks for your comments!

I found one article in Dutch, by the way, coming back to my original question,
that said that Coppermine will have L2 cache "at full speed". So I think that
for chessprograms with large evaluation functions we can expect an increase in
speed compared with the Celeron. Rebel's Kryotech benchmark for the K6-III
600MHz will be hard to beat though I think, because of its extra fast memory, L3
cache I suppose, at 400 MHz.

Eelco.



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