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Subject: Re: Interest Middlegame Position

Author: Peter Kappler

Date: 18:10:38 09/25/99

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On September 25, 1999 at 18:44:17, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>In a game on ICC Beadle (LambChop) reached the following interesting position:
>
>2kr1b1r/ppp4p/1q4p1/3p1p1b/3N4/2PQPPP1/PP1N2P1/R4RK1 w - - 0 17
>
>Tactics:
>
>Here LambChop blundered with Nxf5, it needs an 8 ply search to avoid Nxf5.  The
>key variation being Nxf5 gxf5 Qxf5+ Kb8 Qxh5 Qxe3+ Rf2 Bc5 Rf1 Qxd2.  This is a
>10 ply variation, but we have a couple of checks in there so the check extension
>sallows it to be seen in 8 ply.
>
>My q-srch prunes out captures that look bad, so Qxd2 is pruned as the simple
>algorithm I use thinks d2 is protected by the R on f2 :-(  I guess if my pruning
>algorithm in q-srch was smarter then I'd see this line one ply earlier.  I'd
>also see it earlier if I just looked at all captures in q-srch...
>
>How many ply do other programs need to avoid Nxf5 ?  I know that crafty needs 8
>ply too...
>
>
>Positional:
>
>I was slightly surprised when Bob Hyatt said he thought white was doing badly
>anyway (crafty agreed).  I personally think that white is doing fine, I actually
>prefer white's position.
>
>Here is how I see the position:
>White has 2 knights vs two bishops, so white should try to keep the position
>somewhat closed.  Currently the knights are quite well posted, while the Bh5 is
>quite bad although the Bf8 is potentially very good but currently not doing
>much.
>
>White's pawn structure is weakened, but black isn't currently in a position to
>take advantage of this.  White will probably play f4 eventually, leaving holes
>on e4 and g4 but this doesn't look too bad for white as black doesn't have a
>knight to sink in there.  Also, the white knights cover those squares quite
>well, and after f4 the Bh5 is really locked out.
>
>White has a clear and simple plan of advancing on the queenside.  I think black
>should try to open the position and infiltrate the dark squares, but its not
>clear to me how to achieve this.
>
>I think white should play 1.b4 which is in harmony with the plan of advancing on
>the queenside, it also dissuades c5 (thereby keeping the strong knight on d4)
>and has the added bonus of possibly threatening Nxf5.  I wouldn't worry about
>Nxf5 too much though, as even if it wins a pawn the variations look very open
>and dangerous for white.
>
>After 1.b4, ...c5 looks poor.  Simply 2.bxc5 followed by 3.Rab1 with good
>initiative for white.
>
>Another line is 1.b4 Bd6 2.f4 Rhe8 3.a4 threatening a5 Qa6 b5 trapping the black
>queen :-)
>
>Maybe something like Qf6 is best for black?  The idea being to play g5
>eventually.  Pretty slow though.
>
>So there you have it, the opinion of someone used to be 2300 Fide but these days
>struggles to maintain a 2000 ICC bullet rating :-)
>
>LambChop gives white as +0.4 after 9ply, and wants to play a4.
>
>So what do other people/programs think?
>
>cheers,
>Peter


Hi Peter,

Grok never even considers Nxf5.  It likes c4, which just opens up the game for
Black - clearly not a good idea.  Hiarcs 7.32 considers Nxf5 for a fraction of a
second, but quickly moves on to a4 and stays there, at least through 8 or 9
plies.

I'm guessing that the computers will all like Black because of the bishop pair
and White's doubled pawns.  If anybody can find a program that prefers White,
I'd be very interested to see the analysis.

I think it's quite a tricky position to judge.  BTW, your idea of Qf6 won't work
as long as White has a rook on the f-file, because g4! simply wins the bishop.
However, the idea is correct - Black absolutely must try for g6-g5 to free the
light-squared bishop and open lines against White's King.  To me, the whole
assessment of the position depends on whether or not this is feasible.

Thanks for the interesting post.  :-)

--Peter









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