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Subject: Re: Raw speed of Rebel 10 higher that Hiacrs 7.32 ?

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 00:50:52 10/04/99

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>Subject: Re: Raw speed of Rebel 10 higher that Hiacrs 7.32 ?

>>The keyword to understand the topic = extensions.
>>
>>Chess programs do use all kind of extensions and all chess programs do
>>it another way. Some programs do not emphasize on extensions other
>>programs heavily use extensions.
>>
>>A common example of an extension is to extend the ply-depth with "1" in
>>case the king is in check. Thus instead of searching 6 ply the remaining
>>tree is searched for 7 plies. If there is another king-in-check case found
>>the search is extended to 8 plies and so on.
>>
>>So you see a 6-ply search isn't a 6-ply search as a lot of variations in the
>>tree are searched deeper.
>>
>>Some program will extend king-in-check cases even more. On some types
>>of checking moves Rebel will extend 2 plies. Other programs have their
>>own ways of doing things. The end result is that you can't compare programs
>>based on ply-depth.
>>
>>Ed
>
>This explanation puzzle me. My impression was that "brute force" in given
>number of plys deep should include nothing but number of plys asked. Every
>other extra ply for every other extra reason is inappropriate. I can only
>understand that in all games logic should go some extra plys (or extention)
>if it like to do this but not when "brute force" is asked. To see
>some extra ply in "brute force" search (even partially) is pious fraud. It
>sound
>like find the mate in 5 moves but announce it as mate in four.
>Brute force search in certain number of plys signify for me search for all
>the possiblities that existe for given position but going only the number
>of plys said to be performed. If "brute force" is what I see it to be, it says
>more that every other aspect of the game about the general capability of the
>chess game itself.
>
>Leonid.

It is much worse than you think.

5n2/B3K3/2p2Np1/4k3/7P/3bN1P1/2Prn1P1/1q6 w - - bm e3g4;

Try this position. Rebel will find the mate-in-30 on the second ply. Nowadays
programs are not going to do a 60 ply search. They extend such cases.

Ed




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