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Subject: Re: Which program can solve position from Nisipeanu-Khalifman?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:28:34 10/12/99

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On October 12, 1999 at 08:47:57, Bernhard Bauer wrote:

>Hallo,
>
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    8  |   |   |   |   |   |   | *K|   |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    7  |   | R |   |   |   |   |   |   |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    6  |   |   |   |   |   |   | P | *P|
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    5  |   |   |   | *R| *B| *P|   | P |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    4  |   | P |   |   |   | B |   |   |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    3  |   |   |   |   |   |   | K |   |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    2  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>    1  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>         a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h
>FEN: 6k/1R/6Pp/3rbp1P/1P3B/6K/8/8 w
>
>this is a position from Nisipeanu vs. Khalifman, Las Vegas, tie-break, game 2.
>
>Question: which program can solve this position?
>IMHO no program can do, but who knows, so I ask.
>G. Kasparov calls it a mutual Zugzvang position and in the variant he gives the
>white rook is hold in prison.
>The best move G. K. gives is Kf3 !!
>Of course all the null-move programmers will call it a study and studies never
>occur in real games ...
>But here it happend.
>Kind regards
>Bernhard


current crafty can't do this in reasonable time.  it takes 17 minutes to find
the move Kf3 at depth=17:

               13->  12.82   5.07   1. Bxe5 Rxe5 2. Kf4 Rd5 3. Rh7 Rd4+
                                    4. Kxf5 Rxb4 5. Rxh6 Rb7 6. Ke6 Rc7
                                    7. Ke5 Rd7 <HT>
               14    32.66     --   1. Bxe5
               14    33.02   4.86   1. Bxe5 Rxe5 2. Kf4 Rd5 3. Rh7 Rd4+
                                    4. Kxf5 Rxb4 5. Rxh6 Rb7 6. Ke6 Ra7
                                    7. Ke5 Ra5+ 8. Kd6 Kg7 9. Rh7+ <HT>
         (4)   14->  52.80   4.86   1. Bxe5 Rxe5 2. Kf4 Rd5 3. Rh7 Rd4+
                                    4. Kxf5 Rxb4 5. Rxh6 Rb7 6. Ke6 Ra7
                                    7. Ke5 Ra5+ 8. Kd6 Kg7 9. Rh7+ <HT>
         (3)   15     1:24   4.86   1. Bxe5 Rxe5 2. Kf4 Rd5 3. Rh7 Rd4+
                                    4. Kxf5 Rxb4 5. Rxh6 Rb7 6. Ke6 Ra7
                                    7. Ke5 Ra5+ 8. Kd6 Ra6+ 9. Kd5 Ra5+
                                    10. Kd6 <HT>
         (2)   15->   1:50   4.86   1. Bxe5 Rxe5 2. Kf4 Rd5 3. Rh7 Rd4+
                                    4. Kxf5 Rxb4 5. Rxh6 Rb7 6. Ke6 Ra7
                                    7. Ke5 Ra5+ 8. Kd6 Ra6+ 9. Kd5 Ra5+
                                    10. Kd6 Ra7 <HT>
               16     4:01   4.81   1. Bxe5 Rxe5 2. Kf4 Rd5 3. b5 Rc5 4.
                                    b6 Rb5 5. Rb8+ Kg7 6. b7 Rb6 7. Kxf5
                                    Rb5+ 8. Ke6 Re5+ 9. Kd6 Rxh5 10. Rg8+
                                    Kxg8 11. b8=Q+ Kg7 12. Qe8 Rf5
               16->   5:36   4.81   1. Bxe5 Rxe5 2. Kf4 Rd5 3. b5 Rc5 4.
                                    b6 Rb5 5. Rb8+ Kg7 6. b7 Rb6 7. Kxf5
                                    Rb5+ 8. Ke6 Re5+ 9. Kd6 Rxh5 10. Rg8+
                                    Kxg8 11. b8=Q+ Kg7 12. Qe8 Rf5
               17    11:13   4.91   1. Bxe5 Rxe5 2. Kf4 Rd5 3. b5 Rc5 4.
                                    b6 Rb5 5. Rb8+ Kg7 6. b7 Rb6 7. Kxf5
                                    Rb5+ 8. Ke6 Re5+ 9. Kd6 Rxh5 10. Rg8+
                                    Kxg8 11. b8=Q+ Kg7 12. Qe8 Rf5 13.
                                    Qe6
               17    17:08   5.01   1. Kf3 Bxf4 2. Kxf4 Rd1 3. b5 Rd5 4.
                                    b6 Rb5 5. Rb8+ Kg7 6. b7 Rb6 7. Kxf5
                                    Rb5+ 8. Ke6 Re5+ 9. Kd6 Rxh5 10. Kc6
                                    Rh4 11. Rg8+ Kxg8 12. b8=Q+ Kg7 13.
                                    Qd6
         (3)   17->  17:08   5.01   1. Kf3 Bxf4 2. Kxf4 Rd1 3. b5 Rd5 4.
                                    b6 Rb5 5. Rb8+ Kg7 6. b7 Rb6 7. Kxf5
                                    Rb5+ 8. Ke6 Re5+ 9. Kd6 Rxh5 10. Kc6
                                    Rh4 11. Rg8+ Kxg8 12. b8=Q+ Kg7 13.
                                    Qd6
               18    19:25     ++   1. Kf3!!



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