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Subject: Re: A pawn majority example - ignore my previous message

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 16:18:46 10/13/99

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On October 13, 1999 at 17:50:30, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 13, 1999 at 17:23:14, Howard Exner wrote:
>
>>Here's an example of pawn majority knowledge. A program
>>with pawn majority knowledge of the queen side configuration in this
>>example may well find the winning move Qg6+.
>>
>>4Q3/6pk/2pq4/3p4/1p1P3p/1P1K1P2/1PP3P1/8 b - - bm Qg6;
>>
>>After the exchange of queens will follow the the advance of the black king to
>>the kingside, then exchanges of the kingside pawns, and finally the king can
>>march over to pick up the queenside pawns. Is knowledge that white cannot break
>>through on the queenside essential for solving this? Would any program find Qg6?
>
>
>not a good example it seems.  black can win tactically also...  Crafty
>finds Qg6 instantly, even on my notebook...  And says that black is +2
>from winning material after a lot of checks.  the majority code I have is
>fairly good at saying 'black has good winning chances here' but it can't
>override winning 3 pawns or so, which Qg6+ does.
>
>                8     0.91     ++   1. ... Qg6+!!
>                8     1.47   1.86   1. ... Qg6+ 2. Ke3 Qg5+ 3. Kf2 Qd2+
>                                    4. Kf1 Qxc2 5. Kg1 Qxb2 6. Kh2 Qxb3
>                                    7. Qxc6
>                8->   1.70   1.86   1. ... Qg6+ 2. Ke3 Qg5+ 3. Kf2 Qd2+
>                                    4. Kf1 Qxc2 5. Kg1 Qxb2 6. Kh2 Qxb3
>                                    7. Qxc6
>                9     3.07   1.83   1. ... Qg6+ 2. Ke3 Qg5+ 3. Kf2 Qd2+
>                                    4. Kf1 Qd1+ 5. Kf2 Qxc2+ 6. Kg1 Qxb2
>                                    7. Kh2 Qxb3 8. Qd8 Kg6 9. Qxh4
>                9->   3.22   1.83   1. ... Qg6+ 2. Ke3 Qg5+ 3. Kf2 Qd2+
>                                    4. Kf1 Qd1+ 5. Kf2 Qxc2+ 6. Kg1 Qxb2
>                                    7. Kh2 Qxb3 8. Qd8 Kg6 9. Qxh4
>               10     5.81   2.00   1. ... Qg6+ 2. Ke3 Qg5+ 3. Kf2 Qd2+
>                                    4. Kf1 Qd1+ 5. Kf2 Qxc2+ 6. Kg1 Qxb2
>                                    7. Kh2 Qxd4 8. Qxc6 Qf4+ 9. Kh1 d4
>               10->   6.00   2.00   1. ... Qg6+ 2. Ke3 Qg5+ 3. Kf2 Qd2+
>                                    4. Kf1 Qd1+ 5. Kf2 Qxc2+ 6. Kg1 Qxb2
>                                    7. Kh2 Qxd4 8. Qxc6 Qf4+ 9. Kh1 d4
>
>and the score continues to slowly rise...



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