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Subject: Re: Chess Genius: The rodney dangerfield of chess programs?

Author: Wayne Lowrance

Date: 12:23:45 10/21/99

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On October 21, 1999 at 13:21:00, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On October 21, 1999 at 10:33:16, Peter Pilarinos wrote:
>
>>My personal opinion is that it would be EXTREMELY difficult to make further
>>progress based on the present Genius program structure. I remember Richard Lang
>>saying this in one interview that I read about him some years back. His programs
>>are very unique in their structure. It was this type of programming tequnique
>>that allowed the Genius programs to be so poweful on relatively slow computers.
>>Now that the computers are so much quicker, the advantages of this type of
>>search structure are somwhat dim. I believe that if Mr. Lang wanted to make
>>futher noticable progress, he would have to re-write his program from scratch,
>>using different, more contemporary methods. He is obviously a very talented man,
>>and I am sure he could do this if he wished.
>>
>>Pete P
>
>I'm sure you are going to think that the following is very arrogant, but I
>really think what he said is BULLSHIT.
>
>Lang's program are not unique in their structure. He wants you to believe so,
>but it's not true. He is using alpha-beta, hash tables, pruning techniques,
>static piece square tables, dynamic part in the evaluation and so on.
>
>What Genius misses is some modern pruning techniques that work better at higher
>depths. Because Genius is killed by search depth, which is ironic as he was
>killing everybody by search depth several years ago. probably also relying less
>on static evaluation made at the root would be needed.
>
>The truth is that he has probably lost the will to work on Genius. What he has
>does not need to be rewritten. He should keep almost everything, because he has
>powerful algorithms. He just has to add several modern techniques, which are BTW
>publicly known.
>
>In this case however, Genius would become a program similar to many others, with
>just a little bit of originality.
>
>But who am I to pretend he is wrong... :)
>
>
>    Christophe

Your post is appreciated, Your language is not !
Wayne



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