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Subject: Re: Tiger only 6th?!

Author: blass uri

Date: 09:58:11 11/02/99

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On November 02, 1999 at 12:41:24, Jeroen Noomen wrote:

>On November 01, 1999 at 18:24:35, David Eppstein wrote:
>
>>Your analysis of these mistakes makes it sound like Chess Tiger is missing some
>>important positional understanding.  That is not something I would call luck.
>
>Well, it depends how you define 'luck'. From my point of view Tiger could have
>scored at least 1 point better.
>
>Take f.e. last year's final in the Championsleague between Bayern and
>Manchester.
>Bayern was clearly better, had many chances to finish it off, but was punished
>by two goals in the last 2 minutes. Yoy could say 'well, a game lasts 90 minutes
>and so this is Bayern's own fault'. That's perfectly sensible.
>
>On the other hand, I think all Bayern fans will agree with me when I say 'Bayern
>was very unlucky not to win the champions league'.
>
>As I am a Tiger fan and I know the program, I was sure it should normally win
>these games. When it doesn't succeed in several games, IMO (as a fan!) it is
>very unlucky.

1)I do not think that if you miss wins you are unlucky.
Suppose program A is very good at the opening but not good at endgames.

In this case program A is going to miss many wins but I do not think that
program A is unlucky(it simply does not understand endgames).

I think that a program is unlucky if it outsearched the opponent only to get a
bad position that both programs understood that it is bad too late.


2)I was not convinced that tiger could win the games.
I am interested to know if other programs can find the right moves and win in
comp-comp games in the games that you think that tiger could do a better result.

Uri



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