Author: Alexander Kure
Date: 10:21:24 11/05/99
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On November 05, 1999 at 12:59:05, Sune Larsson wrote: >On November 05, 1999 at 12:14:48, Thorsten Czub wrote: > >>On November 05, 1999 at 09:42:57, Alexander Kure wrote: >> >>>Never thought of me being a king's indian fan ;-) >>>When Nimzo crushed Shredder in Paderborn 98 with the Belgrade Gambit was I >>>supposed to be a Belgrade Gambit fan? >>>The truth is that the King's Indian, like the Sicilian, is an opening which >>>leads to unbalanced positions where the 'better' program, the program which >>>handles the position better, will succeed. >> >>better prepared ! >>but look: >>some programs win because they are prepared to special positions, because >>they KNOW something about e.g. king-attack. >>if i let them play in a closed game, no captures, >>and the opponent gives no chance to king attack by overprotecting pieces >>and careful keeping position close than what shall the king-attacker do? >> >>other programs outsearch the opponent. >>if you choose a position that is unbalanced and needs e.g. a special knowledge >>to handle it, and the opponent does not know about this because >>it normally wins with outsearching, than you have made a trap, if you >>recognize it or not. >> >> >>>If you play unbalanced positions >>>better be prepared for them! >> >>i prefer to choose the opening i am prepared for. >>and not let the opponent chose the opening HE is prepared for. >>why shall i give the initiative and the action to my opponent ? >> >> >>> If you are not prepared playing specific positions >>>arising after specific openings - simply do not play them. >> >>aha. i will tell this to tiger ! don't play te openings you are not >>prepared to play :-)) >> >>>As Computer chess programs cannot play chess it is always a challenge for me to >>>select openings where they will not ruin too much by playing the arising >>>positions. This has nothing to do with setting traps. >> >>what you call "it is always a challenge for me to select openings where" >> >>IS the trap of the thing. >> >>of course there is no primitive trap... the trap is YOU choosing an opening >>you call : an opening not easy to handle for programs. >> >>I expect you know how Nimzo handles it against several programs, am i right ? >>you have - i guess so - seen many chess-programs trying to survive >>with white against nimzo having black, right ? and from what you have >>seen you laugh and chose this opening, because you know that PRGS >>have problems to understand the idea. BECAUSE it is unbalanced. >>Because the horizont-effect damages whites efforts to defend. >> >>And therefore: simsalabim: the trap is YOU. >> >>But jeroen could have done the same thing. and i am sure he has prepared >>to. but he thought you would play something else. >>So - in the end we have a duell jeroen vs. alex. >>I would have preferred a game tiger - quest instead. >>therefore I would have thrown black early out of book and watched >>out what THE ENGINES play. >> >>>The game Tiger vs. Quest was a classical example of how to handle a king's >>>attack. To me it was the best game in the Dutch Open so far. >> >>hm. >>which move/position black was out of book ? >>What was the first computed move of quest ? >>When was tiger out of book ? >> >>>By the way Quest is *not* using Nimzo's opening book. I created a new one for >>>Fritz 6. This is the book they use in Leiden. >> >>ok. i meant that YOU decided what to play. >>remember your game against cstal in aegon or where it was. have forgotten. >>all i know is that you played kingsindian and we talked about this >>opening during the game or later, you remember ? >> >>I would like to see how CSTal would have played against my commercial >>fritz6 .... but i need to know WHEN both tiger and quest left opening >>books... >> >>Anyone knows WHEN ? > > Read somewhere that Quest left the book with 24.-f3. Or maybe more clear- > 24.-f3 was told to be Quests preparation which threw Tiger out of book. > > Sune >> >> >>>Greetings >>>Alex 24...f3 was *not* prepared but calculated by Quest. See my post above in this thread. Greetings Alex
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