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Subject: Re: When did they both left their books ?

Author: Alexander Kure

Date: 10:21:24 11/05/99

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On November 05, 1999 at 12:59:05, Sune Larsson wrote:

>On November 05, 1999 at 12:14:48, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>
>>On November 05, 1999 at 09:42:57, Alexander Kure wrote:
>>
>>>Never thought of me being a king's indian fan ;-)
>>>When Nimzo crushed Shredder in Paderborn 98 with the Belgrade Gambit was I
>>>supposed to be a Belgrade Gambit fan?
>>>The truth is that the King's Indian, like the Sicilian, is an opening which
>>>leads to unbalanced positions where the 'better' program, the program which
>>>handles the position better, will succeed.
>>
>>better prepared !
>>but look:
>>some programs win because they are prepared to special positions, because
>>they KNOW something about e.g. king-attack.
>>if i let them play in a closed game, no captures,
>>and the opponent gives no chance to king attack by overprotecting pieces
>>and careful keeping position close than what shall the king-attacker do?
>>
>>other programs outsearch the opponent.
>>if you choose a position that is unbalanced and needs e.g. a special knowledge
>>to handle it, and the opponent does not know about this because
>>it normally wins with outsearching, than you have made a trap, if you
>>recognize it or not.
>>
>>
>>>If you play unbalanced positions
>>>better be prepared for them!
>>
>>i prefer to choose the opening i am prepared for.
>>and not let the opponent chose the opening HE is prepared for.
>>why shall i give the initiative and the action to my opponent ?
>>
>>
>>> If you are not prepared playing specific positions
>>>arising after specific openings - simply do not play them.
>>
>>aha. i will tell this to tiger ! don't play te openings you are not
>>prepared to play :-))
>>
>>>As Computer chess programs cannot play chess it is always a challenge for me to
>>>select openings where they will not ruin too much by playing the arising
>>>positions. This has nothing to do with setting traps.
>>
>>what you call "it is always a challenge for me to select openings where"
>>
>>IS the trap of the thing.
>>
>>of course there is no primitive trap... the trap is YOU choosing an opening
>>you call : an opening not easy to handle for programs.
>>
>>I expect you know how Nimzo handles it against several programs, am i right ?
>>you have - i guess so - seen many chess-programs trying to survive
>>with white against nimzo having black, right ? and from what you have
>>seen you laugh and chose this opening, because you know that PRGS
>>have problems to understand the idea. BECAUSE it is unbalanced.
>>Because the horizont-effect damages whites efforts to defend.
>>
>>And therefore: simsalabim: the trap is YOU.
>>
>>But jeroen could have done the same thing. and i am sure he has prepared
>>to. but he thought you would play something else.
>>So - in the end we have a duell jeroen vs. alex.
>>I would have preferred a game tiger - quest instead.
>>therefore I would have thrown black early out of book and watched
>>out what THE ENGINES play.
>>
>>>The game Tiger vs. Quest was a classical example of how to handle a king's
>>>attack. To me it was the best game in the Dutch Open so far.
>>
>>hm.
>>which move/position black was out of book ?
>>What was the first computed move of quest ?
>>When was tiger out of book ?
>>
>>>By the way Quest is *not* using Nimzo's opening book. I created a new one for
>>>Fritz 6. This is the book they use in Leiden.
>>
>>ok. i meant that YOU decided what to play.
>>remember your game against cstal in aegon or where it was. have forgotten.
>>all i know is that you played kingsindian and we talked about this
>>opening during the game or later, you remember ?
>>
>>I would like to see how CSTal would have played against my commercial
>>fritz6 .... but i need to know WHEN both tiger and quest left opening
>>books...
>>
>>Anyone knows WHEN ?
>
> Read somewhere that Quest left the book with 24.-f3. Or maybe more clear-
> 24.-f3 was told to be Quests preparation which threw Tiger out of book.
>
> Sune
>>
>>
>>>Greetings
>>>Alex

24...f3 was *not* prepared but calculated by Quest.
See my post above in this thread.

Greetings Alex



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