Author: Will Singleton
Date: 20:52:07 11/26/99
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On November 26, 1999 at 17:54:07, KarinsDad wrote: >On November 26, 1999 at 15:14:57, blass uri wrote: > >>On November 26, 1999 at 12:14:00, KarinsDad wrote: >><snipped> >>>I believe that this is a naive viewpoint. I think you should compare style of >>>posts, content of posts, and location of ISP before making a judgement. I do not >>>think you should base this type of opinion on what the person claimed in a post. >>>People do lie you know. >> >>I know that people lie but I believe people when they have nothing to earn from >>lying. > >That is one of the problems with faith versus knowledge. If you believe >something based purely on your own mental framework of the universe around you >and because of your faith, you discard obvious discrepencies since they do not >fit in with your framework, then someone like myself who does see discrepencies >will never convince you otherwise. This is a major problem in our society, even >within the scientific community. For example, some scientists have believed in >the big bang theory for so long, that they embraced dark matter theory >automatically. But if you look at dark matter theory, it is one of the most >hocus pocus type theories ever conceived and is supported only due to the >mathematics involving two observed phenomena. > >In the case of Chris/Bella, I base my opinion on probability. It is extremely >improbable that Bella would have the exact same opinions as Chris has posted >elsewhere on issue after issue. I would expect a discrepency between what I >expect Chris' opinion to be on a topic to be, and what Bella posts. Bella did >not like fast searchers. Bella did not like anonymous posters (such as myself). >Bella Freud is the name of a fashion designer (similar to other Chris famous >person pseudonames such as Herman Hesse). Bella displayed an overwhelming >knowledge of computer chess in general and individual CCC computer chess posts >similar to someone who has been around here reading posts for years. Bella >showed disdain for both individuals and the forum here. Bella believes that >programs should play more human like chess. Bella had a superiority complex. >Bella was from England. These are all traits that Chris has displayed. I do not >say that Chris was Bella. I say that it is extremely probable that Chris was >Bella (this is most likely a virtual certainty). > >> >>From my point of view chris has nothing to earn from lying and I have nothing to >>lose from the fact that I believe bella is not chris. > >You are entitled to that opinion and are correct that you have nothing to lose. > >But just because you do not see how Chris would earn something from posing as >Bella does not mean that Chris does not see an advantage in doing so (and Chris >may also see an advantage in hiding what he gains from posing as someone else >other than the obvious advantage of getting to post on the forum; in other >words, Chris could want you to not see what reasons he has for posting in that >manner). > >The issue of pretending to be female is easy to explain. Chris has been banned >for a long time and could desire to talk about computer chess. Chris' theories >on computer chess programming are somewhat different from other people's. Chris >sees himself as a maverick or outsider. What better way to illustrate how >different your point of view from the lowly typical masses than to pose as a >woman on a mostly male site? In fact, sexism was the first topic brought up on >the site by Bella. > >Seriously, why would a person as knowledgeable as Bella on computer chess jump >in and blow up the controversial issue of sexism as the first thing she does if >she wanted to be considered a serious computer chess poster? It seriously seems >as if she showed up just to cause trouble as opposed to showing up to talk about >computer chess (that did not happen until much later). > >> >>I think that a possible result of not believing people is that there are some >>women who pretend to be men because I see that all this suspect is against >>people with female names. > >This is possible. However, since it seems more probable that a woman would pose >as a man does NOT mean that it is improbable for a man to pose as a woman. > >> >>I do not think that chris is a lier who pretend to be both feminist and woman. > >That is the point. Although you may think this is not true, the data from >Bella's posts indicates otherwise. Go back and read all of her posts and use >your common sense as opposed to your humanistic gut feel to make your >determination. Try to determine the motivating factors for each post from the >point of view of a man posing as a woman and as a real woman and see if it makes >more sense for a woman to post those things or for a man posing as a woman to >post those things (of course, the more venomous postings have been deleted, so >you will have to make do with the more mild posts). > >> >>Uri > >KarinsDad :)
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