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Subject: Re: Processors

Author: Peter Kappler

Date: 18:40:48 11/30/99

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On November 30, 1999 at 20:27:50, Ricardo Gibert wrote:

>On November 30, 1999 at 19:37:15, Peter Kappler wrote:
>
>>On November 30, 1999 at 18:37:10, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>
>>>On November 30, 1999 at 17:18:16, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 30, 1999 at 16:39:23, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 30, 1999 at 13:35:04, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 30, 1999 at 12:57:21, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On November 30, 1999 at 01:48:49, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On November 30, 1999 at 00:00:17, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On November 29, 1999 at 23:08:30, Dennis A. Bourgerie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I am thinking about buying a notebook computer.  There are different kinds of
>>>>>>>>>>processors on the market, for example, Celeron, K6-2, K6-3, Pentium, Pentium II,
>>>>>>>>>>Pentium III.  I would like to get a notebook that can efficiently run Rebel 10
>>>>>>>>>>or Fritz or other chess programs.
>>>>>>>>>>     My question is:  If the processors were to be ranked from best to worst how
>>>>>>>>>>would the list go?  Also what other factors   (maybe RAM or secondary cache) are
>>>>>>>>>>the most important for getting good results from a chess program?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Dennis,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wait till Jan 19, 2000 when the Crusoe processor from Transmeta is released.
>>>>>>>>>You will be able to run both Mac and PC applications on the same machine. In
>>>>>>>>>addition, the speed will be much improved.  For further info see their site at
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.transmeta.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Tim Frohlick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This seems like dubious advice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How can this be dubious advice? He is advising to "Wait till Jan 19, 2000", not
>>>>>>>necessarily to buy it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's dubious advice because Crusoe won't be available on Jan 19, or even
>>>>>>anywhere close to that date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>What is this? You clipped off from my message an important reason why waiting
>>>>>until January is a good idea without indicating having done so. It makes a
>>>>>significant difference here. Nice move.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why are you being so defensive?  I clipped it because it was irrelevant to my
>>>>point, i.e. that Tim's advice to Dennis was dubious.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe you should go back and read my original response to Tim's post.  Tim told
>>>>Dennis not to buy a system before Jan 19, since that is the date Crusoe will be
>>>>"released".  The fact is that Jan 19 is the day Crusoe is being *announced*.
>>>>We're still a *long* way from seeing this technology in consumer systems.
>>>>
>>>>Dennis will be disappointed if he takes Tim's advice and waits till Jan 19
>>>>*just* so he can get a Crusoe-based system.
>>>>
>>>>You posted a different reason why it might make sense to wait until January or
>>>>February, which is fine, but it has nothing to do with my original point.  Hope
>>>>that's clear...
>>>>
>>>>--Peter
>>>
>>>The point is: waiting until January is good advice irrespective of the existence
>>>of crusoe, so how can waiting be dubious?
>>
>>
>>We never established that waiting until January is good advice irrespective of
>>Crusoe.  Maybe price isn't an issue for him and he won't want to wait 2 more
>>months to save an extra 5-10%.  Maybe today's systems offer everything he needs,
>>and waiting for new product announcements in January isn't appealing to him.
>>Who knows?  Nobody asked him.
>
>OK, I'll concede all the above.  How does that make his advice, to wait,
>dubious?  Just because he confused the announcement date with the release date
>does not make the advice dubious.


Ricardo, I think you are unnecessarily splitting hairs at this point.  I never
took issue with the technology, just the date.


> It only makes the reason to wait dubious.
>Concluding the advice to be dubious, because the reason he gave was not correct,
>is a non sequitur.
>

Little hair fibers all over the floor...  :-)


>>
>>The *only* point I have been trying (repeatedly) to make is that he should not
>>wait until January *just* to try to get a Crusoe system, because they won't be
>>shipping anytime remotely close to that time frame.
>
>This is the first time you make that point. Before your point was the advice was
>dubious.
>

As I said above, I think it's obvious that I was taking issue with the date and
not the technology.


--Peter





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