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Subject: Re: Tuning? Rubbish!

Author: Albert Silver

Date: 04:52:03 12/15/99

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On December 15, 1999 at 04:34:04, Michael Cummings wrote:

>On December 15, 1999 at 03:21:36, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On December 15, 1999 at 01:12:14, Michael Cummings wrote:
>>
>>>On December 14, 1999 at 13:47:58, ERIQ wrote:
>>>
>>>>I really don't think any other program has a chance not
>>>>even rebel-tiger. the combination of hardware and software is too strong.
>>>>but I'm sure those win box lovers would never give it a shot.
>>>>
>>>> sign,
>>>>    Eriq
>>>
>>>Lets face facts, CM6K is the King, literally.
>>>
>>>If played on the same hardware as the other top programs, I (speculate) that it
>>>will be number 1. Some people think Chess tiger will be number 1 for many lists
>>>to come,
>>
>>
>>Not me.
>>
>>
>>
>>> once other programs learn how chess tiger plays then it will be like
>>>any other program that it will eventually be picked apart and start to lose.
>>
>>
>>Tiger will not lose its #1 because other programmers will "tune" against it.
>>
>>Tuning means nothing. If you try to tune for an opponent your end up with an
>>inferior program. You win against one, maybe, but suddenly you lose to the other
>>ones.
>>
>>I'm not even sure you can tune against a given opponent.
>>
>>Tiger will lose its #1 simply because other programmers are working seriously on
>>chess programming, not on tuning, and eventually one of them will come with a
>>stronger program.
>>
>>That is as simple as that. No need to invent "tuning".
>>
>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>You said to me in an email you sent about learning, and how CM6K will lose out
>because it lacked it.

Is this book learning? If so, book learning has nothing to do with the engine.
It will only help a program avoid a disastrous opening move.

                                     Albert Silver


> So to will tiger, when the other program learn from
>playing tiger, which alot have not due to the lack of avaiability of your
>program.
>
>That is what I include in tuning an engine. Plus when more games are played
>against tiger programmers can tune their engines not just towards tiger but a
>bit towards all programs, an engine upgrade.



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