Author: John Warfield
Date: 06:09:49 12/21/99
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On December 20, 1999 at 19:18:49, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >On December 20, 1999 at 18:08:19, John Warfield wrote: > >>On December 20, 1999 at 17:53:52, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >> >>>On December 20, 1999 at 16:05:35, Charles Unruh wrote: >>> >>>>On December 19, 1999 at 15:51:01, John Warfield wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 19, 1999 at 15:30:57, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hi: >>>>>>After receiving Millenium package and playing couple of games with each at 40 >>>>>>moves in 90 minutes, both Genius 6,5 and schredder 4 in my Armada 266 Mhz with >>>>>>more than 80 Mb in RAM, my impressio is that both are very strong, yes, and a >>>>>>lot stronger than me, OK, but still they are not so edgy, pushing, enterprising >>>>>>and interesting as Century is. Genius 6,5 does not seem to be so different to >>>>>>his predecesors: he win against a player like me -2100 elo- , but only after >>>>>>heavy fight and an slow atrittions of my forces duly helped by the unavoidable >>>>>>tactical mistake that happens after so long a game...Schredder is somewhat more >>>>>>sharp, maybe a lot more in middle game, but equally you does not feel he same >>>>>>degree of inmediate pressure that Century produces from the very first minute. >>>>>>Century begins to make life miserable with the first move after openning phase >>>>>>is finished and if you does not know well each line, as it is my case due to >>>>>>deep chess lazyness, the slight imprecision in your piece meal improvisation " a >>>>>>la Lasker" will put you in problems at once. Not htat Century has longer lines, >>>>>>but seems to know what to do in that difficult phase of he game. So, it seems >>>>>>we must wait Tiger for something really new. Until now, I consider Century my >>>>>>best 1999 purchase. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You Are absolutely Correct about rebel century!! I thought I was the only one >>>>>who noticed this sharp rebel playing style!!! It feels way stronger than all >>>>>the other programs to me, although it will lose to them. >>>> >>>> >>>>"Way stronger"? Explain >>> >>>These post on rebel century are confusing to me at least.How about some hard >>>facts ! I am interested in a program that will take on H7.32 on 5 blitz. So far >>>Fritz6 is dissapointing in this regard. >> >> >> They wouldn't be confusing at all if you understand the fact that computer vs >>computer games is not a indication of how programs will do against humans. > >I full well know about eng-eng testing. You missed my point. You use the terms >"strong", "very strong" etc. Meaningless statements. Back it up with some data. >Why should i take your evaluation for strength based on no backup data ! If you read my statement "carefully" I say that is is way stronger to "me", thus I am simply expressing a personal opinion. Why this would be confusing to you I don't know, but i am allowed to express an opinion on the board correct?? My impression of Rebel Century is purely subjective very meaningful to me, as a strong player perhaps meaningful to someoneelse. What I think is worthless however is posting hundreds of computer vs computer games which says absolutely nothing about the real strength of a program relative to humans. You mention in your post that you want to see a program that can take on hiarcs7 at blitz. Let me ask you something? If you found such a program what exactly would this mean to you? I guess we are looking for two different types of evidence, because your computer vs computers games are just as meaningless to me, as my subjective impressions of rebel are to you.
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