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Subject: Re: Chess Tiger - Is It Really 2696 ELO?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:08:40 12/23/99

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On December 23, 1999 at 08:04:38, Graham Laight wrote:

>On December 23, 1999 at 07:08:38, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>>A lot of GMs strongly criticised much of DB's play against GK - often using
>>>phrases like "that move was truly ugly", thus implying that to be a good move, a
>>>move has to "look attractive" - but in the end DB came away with the points.
>>
>>Highly debatable. The reason DB didn't convince GMs of being superior, is
>>because it was inferior in most games. For whatever reasons Kasparov was not
>>able to convert these positions, but the inferior positions were due to inferior
>>positional play.
>
>Like everyone else, I agree that 6 games under conditions that favoured the
>computer (although Gary was so confident that he did agree to the terms) does
>not make a strong case. Having said that, look what you have effectively just
>said (with a bit extra added by myself for good measure!):
>
>* GK's superior positional play gave him the advantage in four of the games
>
>* DB achieved the advantage in 2 of the games
>
>* GK converted 1 game in which he had the advantage
>
>* DB converted both the games in which it had the advantage
>
>From this, I draw a conclusion (in computer chess, if one wishes to draw
>conclusions, one often has to base them on flimsy evidence).
>
>The conclusion is that positional advantage is not necessarily the most
>important factor in determining who will win a chess game.
>
>Albert also stated that he is able to beat all the chess programs he possesses -
>which I think includes the new Rebel Tiger.
>
>However, it's not good enough to beat them in the comfort of one's home. If he
>played them under competitive conditions, some extra considerations would come
>into play:
>
>* Some of the evaluation factors would be changed, so that he may not be able to
>predict their moves so accurately
>
>* The whole thing, from opening books to evaluation factors could be tuned to
>produce an optimum game against HIM.
>
>This is the reality that GK faced against DB in May '97.
>
>If anti-computer chess is alive and well, why did IM Dan Hergot lose to Hiarcs
>in early '97 - to what is now an old version of Hiarcs on old hardware?


did you watch the games?  He didn't play anti-computer chess by any measure
you would use...

That is a _very_ common mistake.  Even the GMs vs Rebel are not doing that
yet...




>
>And why did GM Ruslan Scherbakov lose to Rebel Century?
>
>And why did the computers beat the humans overall at the last Aegon tournament
>(1997)?
>
>-g


Maybe there were more computers than GMs?




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