Author: stuart taylor
Date: 18:07:17 12/28/99
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On December 28, 1999 at 20:15:52, Vicente Fernández wrote:
>Here I post the games of a minimatch between Rebel Century and Shredder 4, on
>two computers, one k6III-400, 128 ram, and the other a K6II-300, 128 ram. Games
>in 30 minutes each, handled manually. Programs played alternating computers.
>Rebel Century play with its strongest settings plus antigrandmaster= smart, 60
>hash. Shredder played with 90 hash.
> Frankly, I expected much more from Shredder 4. A 3.5-0.5 result for Rebel was
>too much for me, but then came the surprise. As far as I can see, Shredder's
>book needs improvement: The World Champion starts thinking when Rebel still has
>three or more moves on its book. And the evaluation... just see for yourselves:
>it just keeps jumping from +40 to - 1.40 and so on, while Rebel's is steady and
>reliable. I don't know what's the matter with Shredder 4 (yes, I turned the
>commentary off etc. etc.), but it doesn't look like a World Champ in my
>machines. And considering the unsteady evaluations, I won't use it either for
>game analysis. Compared to Hiarcs 7.32, Rebel Century, Chessmaster 6000, Fritz 6
>(light), Fritz 5.32 or Junior 5, Shredder 4 's evaluation is a joke. Please,
>take a look at the games and to the jumpy evaluations. Compare them to the ones
>you get from Rebel Century and see the difference.
>Vicente F. Herrasti
> Are you sure that at 40/2, with the k6111-400, Shredder wouldn't come out
on top? Shredder has been said to not be at its strongest even at game in 30.
It does not yet have the chance to find its bearings.But I would seriuosly
like to know.Thanks for sharing your research. Stuart Taylor.
>
>[Event "Rebel Shredder 4 Match"]
>[Site "Mexico City"]
>[Date "1999.12.28"]
>[Round "1"]
>[White "Shredder 4"]
>[Black "Rebel Century"]
>[WhiteElo "2500"]
>[BlackElo "2500"]
>[ECO "E12"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>
>1. d4 {book 0s} Nf6 {8s} 2. c4 {book 0s} e6 {7s} 3. Nf3
>{book 0s} b6 {9s} 4. a3 {book 0s} Ba6 {6s} 5. Qc2 {book 0s}
>Bb7 {8s} 6. Nc3 {book 0s} c5 {8s} 7. e4 {book 0s} cxd4 {4s}
>8. Nxd4 {book 0s} Bc5 {6s} 9. Nb3 {book 0s} Nc6 {6s}
>10. Bd3 {book 0s} d6 {6s} 11. Nxc5 {-0.06/8 30s} dxc5 {46s}
>12. O-O {-0.15/9 0s} O-O {10s} 13. Bg5 {+0.02/9 23s} Nd4
>{1:03m (h6)} 14. Qd1 {+0.10/9 14s} Nc6 {1:03m} 15. Qe2
>{+0.18/9 0s} Nd4 {1:08m (h6)} 16. Qe3 {+0.35/10 32s} h6
>{4s} 17. Bh4 {+0.27/10 33s} g5 {5s} 18. Bg3 {+0.28/11 42s}
>Ng4 {4s} 19. Qe1 {+0.22/10 24s} Ne5 {23s} 20. Bxe5
>{+0.40/11 8s} Nc6 {6s} 21. Qe3 {+0.43/11 30s} Nxe5 {7s}
>22. Be2 {+0.37/10 22s} Qe7 {1:41m (Qf6)} 23. f4 {+0.37/9
>32s} gxf4 {2:04m} 24. Rxf4 {+0.17/12 0s} f5 {49s (Qg5)}
>25. exf5 {+0.73/9 35s} Qg7 {1:26m} 26. Qh3 {+0.58/10 0s}
>Ng6 {47s (Rxf5)} 27. Rf3 {+0.43/10 1:04m} Rxf5 {9s} 28. Rg3
>{+0.46/9 0s} Kh8 {5s} 29. Kh1 {+0.22/9 5s} Rd8 {4s} 30. Bd3
>{+0.38/9 35s} Rf6 {51s} 31. b4 {+0.33/9 12s} Rxd3 {20s
>(e5)} 32. Rxd3 {-2.83/11 50s} Nf4 {5s} 33. Qg3 {-5.78/10
>50s} Nxd3 {3s} 34. Qxg7+ {-6.54/10 36s} Kxg7 {5s} 35. Kg1
>{-6.63/11 36s} Rf2 {6s} 36. Ra2 {-6.78/12 26s} Rxa2 {5s}
>37. Nxa2 {-6.55/11 0s} cxb4 {34s (e5)} 38. axb4 {-7.33/15
>26s} Kf6 {25s (a5)} 39. h4 {-7.08/13 27s} Ke5 {5s (a5)}
>40. Nc3 {-7.20/13 31s} Nxb4 {47s} 41. g4 {-7.69/13 0s} Ba6
>{15s (Nd3)} 42. Nb5 {-8.42/14 33s} Bxb5 {4s} 43. cxb5
>{-9.32/16 1:45m} Nd5 {5s (Kf6)} 0-1
>
>
>
>[Event "Rebel-Shredder 4 Match"]
>[Site "Mexico City"]
>[Date "1999.12.28"]
>[Round "2"]
>[White "Shredder 4"]
>[Black "Rebel Century"]
>[WhiteElo "2500"]
>[BlackElo "2500"]
>[ECO "D02"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>
>1. d4 {book 0s} d5 {5s} 2. Nf3 {book 0s} Nf6 {4s} 3. c4
>{book 0s} c6 {5s} 4. Nc3 {book 0s} dxc4 {3s} 5. a4 {book
>0s} Bf5 {5s} 6. Ne5 {book 0s} e6 {5s} 7. f3 {book 0s} c5
>{3s} 8. e4 {book 0s} cxd4 {4s} 9. exf5 {book 0s} Nc6 {4s}
>10. Nxc6 {book 0s} bxc6 {4s} 11. fxe6 {book 0s} fxe6 {4s}
>12. Bxc4 {book 0s} dxc3 {5s} 13. Qxd8+ {book 0s} Rxd8 {5s}
>14. bxc3 {book 0s} Nd5 {5s} 15. Bd2 {book 0s} Bd6 {5s}
>16. O-O-O {book 0s} Kd7 {5s} 17. Bf1 {+0.74/8 37s} Rb8
>{1:04m (Nf6)} 18. c4 {+1.08/9 5s} Ba3+ {58s} 19. Kc2
>{+1.08/4 0s} Rb2+ {20s} 20. Kd3 {+0.65/10 0s} Rb3+ {18s}
>21. Ke2 {+0.43/11 21s} Nb6 {4s} 22. Bc3+ {+0.48/11 40s} Ke7
>{5s (Kc8)} 23. Rd3 {+0.24/11 41s} Kf7 {4s} 24. Bxg7
>{+0.17/11 27s} Rxd3 {5s} 25. Bxh8 {-0.12/12 24s} Rd8 {4s}
>26. Bc3 {-0.33/12 22s} Nxc4 {8s (Nxa4)} 27. g3 {0.00/11
>44s} Bb2 {2:05m (Nb6)} 28. Be1 {+0.17/11 50s} c5 {5s}
>29. f4 {+0.09/10 38s} Na3 {1:56m (Kf6)} 30. Bg2 {-0.09/11
>43s} c4 {4s} 31. Be4 {-0.09/11 1:05m} h6 {31s (c3)} 32. Bf2
>{+0.17/11 47s} c3 {1:10m} 33. Bd3 {0.00/11 0s} c2 {1:19m
>(a5)} 34. Be3 {+0.10/11 30s} Rd5 {6s (Rb8)} 35. Bc1
>{+0.41/12 33s} Bxc1 {6s} 36. Rxc1 {+0.34/13 7s} Rh5 {8s
>(Ra5)} 37. h4 {+0.32/13 28s} Kf6 {54s (Ra5)} 38. Bxc2
>{+0.60/13 36s} Rc5 {47s} 39. Kd2 {+0.15/14 1:01m} Nxc2 {6s}
>40. Rxc2 {+0.10/15 23s} Rxc2+ {5s} 41. Kxc2 {0.00/18 19s}
>Kf5 {5s} 42. Kd3 {0.00/18 14s} Kg4 {4s} 43. Ke4 {0.00/19
>23s} 1/2-1/2
>
>[Event "Rebel-Shredder 4 Match"]
>[Site "Mexico City"]
>[Date "1999.12.28"]
>[Round "3"]
>[White "Rebel Century"]
>[Black "Shredder 4"]
>[WhiteElo "2500"]
>[BlackElo "2500"]
>[ECO "A45"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>
>1. d4 {0s} Nf6 {book 0s} 2. Nf3 {4s} e6 {book 0s} 3. c4
>{4s} b6 {book 0s} 4. a3 {4s} Bb7 {book 0s} 5. Nc3 {4s} d5
>{book 0s} 6. cxd5 {3s} Nxd5 {book 0s} 7. Qc2 {4s} Be7 {book
>0s} 8. Bd2 {5s} O-O {book 0s} 9. e4 {4s} Nxc3 {book 0s}
>10. Bxc3 {4s} Nd7 {book 0s} 11. O-O-O {5s} c5 {+0.29/9 42s}
>12. Bb5 {3s (d5)} a6 {+0.99/10 47s} 13. Bxd7 {4s (dxc5)}
>Qxd7 {+0.97/9 6s} 14. dxc5 {5s} Qc6 {+0.85/10 1:56m}
>15. cxb6 {1:32m} Rfc8 {+0.63/10 46s} 16. Rhe1 {39s (h4)}
>Qxb6 {+0.63/10 34s} 17. Re2 {1:45m (Rd7)} Rc7 {+1.08/9 38s}
>18. Re3 {4s (Kd2)} Rac8 {+1.70/9 35s} 19. Rdd3 {26s} e5
>{+1.80/8 39s} 20. Rd1 {1:19m (Qd1)} f6 {+1.90/9 38s} 21. a4
>{1:47m} Qe6 {+1.57/10 4s} 22. Kb1 {1:10m} a5 {+1.52/9 0s}
>23. h4 {1:11m (h3)} Qf7 {+1.49/8 39s} 24. g4 {33s (h5)} Rc4
>{+1.21/9 41s} 25. Nd2 {46s} Rb4 {+1.16/10 0s} 26. Rc1 {37s
>(h5)} Rc5 {+0.97/9 21s} 27. b3 {35s (Qd1)} Qe6 {+1.10/9
>56s} 28. Rg1 {1:09m (Ka1)} Bc6 {+1.33/8 26s} 29. Qa2 {35s
>(Ka1)} Rb6 {+0.92/9 28s} 30. Ka1 {10s (Bb2)} Ra6 {+0.52/9
>31s} 31. Nc4 {36s} Qf7 {+0.14/9 0s} 32. Rd1 {8s (g5)} Bf8
>{+0.02/9 54s} 33. Rd8 {5s (Bb2)} Qc7 {0.00/9 25s} 34. Red3
>{1:03m (Rd1)} Bxe4 {-0.93/9 24s} 35. R3d7 {4s} Qc6
>{-2.74/11 48s} 36. b4 {19s} Rxc4 {-2.83/10 3s} 37. b5 {5s}
>Qc5 {-3.03/10 53s} 38. bxa6 {13s} Qc6 {-4.30/8 13s} 39. Re7
>{11s (Qa3)} h6 {-4.74/8 25s} 40. a7 {1:03m (Ree8)} Qxa4
>{-5.88/9 42s} 41. Qxa4 {6s} Rxa4+ {-7.69/11 21s} 42. Kb2
>{5s} Bc6 {-7.67/11 22s} 43. Ree8 {21s (Re6)} Kf7 {-7.91/10
>29s} 44. Rxf8+ {3s} Ke7 {-8.02/10 44s} 45. Rde8+ {7s} Kd6
>{-8.12/10 5s} 46. Rb8 {5s} 1-0
>
>
>[Event "Rebel-Shredder Match"]
>[Site "Mexico City"]
>[Date "1999.12.28"]
>[Round "4"]
>[White "Rebel Century"]
>[Black "Shredder 4"]
>[WhiteElo "2500"]
>[BlackElo "2500"]
>[ECO "E12"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>
>1. d4 {0s} Nf6 {book 0s} 2. c4 {5s} e6 {book 0s} 3. Nf3
>{4s} b6 {book 0s} 4. a3 {5s} Ba6 {book 0s} 5. Qc2 {5s} Bb7
>{book 0s} 6. Nc3 {4s} c5 {book 0s} 7. e4 {5s} cxd4 {book
>0s} 8. Nxd4 {4s} d6 {book 0s} 9. Be2 {4s} Be7 {book 0s}
>10. O-O {5s} O-O {book 0s} 11. Rd1 {4s} Qd7 {-0.33/9 41s}
>12. Nf3 {1:16m (f3)} Qc6 {-0.38/9 41s} 13. b4 {5s (Bf4)}
>Nbd7 {-0.40/9 32s} 14. Nd4 {1:20m} Qc7 {-0.35/10 0s} 15. f4
>{34s} a6 {-0.45/9 10s} 16. Bb2 {1:40m (Be3)} Rad8 {-0.33/8
>28s} 17. Rac1 {1:06m (Rf1)} Rfe8 {-0.47/9 1:16m} 18. g3 {4s
>(Rf1)} Rf8 {-0.20/9 1:01m} 19. Rd2 {37s (Nf3)} Qc8 {-0.14/9
>1:13m} 20. Rcd1 {48s (Re1)} Qa8 {-0.14/9 29s} 21. Bf3
>{1:04m} Qc8 {-0.23/10 0s} 22. Qd3 {41s} h6 {-0.32/9 0s}
>23. Nc2 {44s} Qc7 {-0.35/9 2s} 24. Ne3 {33s} Rc8 {-0.35/9
>38s} 25. h3 {5s (Ne2)} h5 {-0.28/9 31s} 26. Ne2 {1:20m}
>Rfe8 {-0.19/9 0s} 27. g4 {55s (Bg2)} hxg4 {-0.04/9 43s}
>28. hxg4 {6s} Nh7 {-0.24/9 38s} 29. g5 {54s (Bg2)} Nhf8
>{0.00/8 24s} 30. Bg4 {8s (Bh5)} Qc6 {+0.05/8 30s} 31. Qc3
>{1:01m (Ng3)} e5 {-0.37/8 24s} 32. Ng3 {16s} b5 {-0.84/8
>14s} 33. c5 {1:09m (fxe5)} a5 {-1.37/8 53s} 34. fxe5 {4s
>(Bxd7)} axb4 {-1.34/8 29s} 35. axb4 {58s} Nxe5 {-2.25/10
>0s} 36. Bxc8 {16s} Bxc8 {-2.49/9 28s} 37. Nef5 {5s} Bxf5
>{4s} 38. exf5 {-2.81/9 11s} Qf3 {-3.01/8 28s} 39. Re2 {7s}
>Qg4 {-2.72/8 13s} 40. cxd6 {1:06m (f6)} Bxg5 {-2.17/9 25s}
>41. d7 {20s (Rf1)} Nfxd7 {-1.58/9 31s} 42. Rxd7 {48s} Bf4
>{-1.44/10 0s} 43. Rd4 {14s} Nf3+ {-1.65/11 42s} 44. Qxf3
>{3s} Qxf3 {-1.29/11 3s} 45. Rxe8+ {5s} Kh7 {-1.53/4 0s}
>46. Nf1 {6s} Qg4+ {-1.36/11 19s} 47. Kf2 {5s} Qh4+
>{-1.34/11 12s} 48. Ke2 {1:03m} Qg4+ {-1.28/12 0s} 49. Ke1
>{11s} Qh4+ {-1.33/12 1s} 50. Kd1 {5s} Qg4+ {-1.33/11 20s}
>51. Re2 {36s} Qxf5 {-1.20/11 3s} 52. Rde4 {18s (Ke1)} g5
>{-0.73/9 13s} 53. Ke1 {29s} g4 {-0.75/10 3s} 54. Nd2 {32s
>(Re8)} g3 {-0.23/8 10s} 55. Rd4 {9s (Nf3)} Be3 {-0.28/8
>20s} 56. Rd8 {36s} f6 {0.00/9 2s} 57. Bc3 {16s (Bd4)} Kg7
>{-0.04/8 12s} 58. Re8 {36s (Bd4)} Bf2+ {0.00/8 14s} 59. Kd1
>{8s} Qh5 {-0.11/8 5s} 60. Kc2 {20s} Qg6+ {-0.92/8 2s}
>61. Kb2 {15s} Qd3 {-1.05/10 7s} 62. R2e7+ {5s} Kg6
>{-0.89/10 15s} 63. Nb3 {6s} Kf5 {-1.22/9 12s} 64. Rg7 {5s
>(Rf8)} Qd6 {-1.48/9 27s} 65. Rgg8 {6s} Kf4 {-2.00/9 15s}
>66. Rg6 {10s (Nd2)} Qd3 {-1.78/8 8s} 67. Rxf6+ {29s} Kg4
>{-2.12/9 1s} 68. Nd2 {6s (Rf7)} Kh3 {-2.35/8 10s} 69. Rf4
>{9s} Qd6 {-2.17/7 4s} 70. Rfe4 {43s (Rf7)} Qd3 {-2.07/9
>11s} 71. R8e7 {15s (R8e5)} Qd6 {-2.06/8 9s} 72. Rh7+ {16s}
>Kg2 {-2.20/10 1s} 73. Ree7 {8s (Nb3)} Qd3 {-2.20/9 7s}
>74. Nb3 {7s} Qd1 {-2.19/8 5s} 75. Rd7 {4s} Qe2+ {-2.27/10
>1s} 76. Nd2 {15s} Be3 {-2.27/9 0s} 77. Ka2 {5s (Kc2)} Qd1
>{-1.42/9 17s} 78. Nb3 {5s} Qc2+ {-1.42/7 1s} 79. Bb2 {13s}
>Qc6 {-1.30/8 2s} 80. Rde7 {18s (Rhg7)} Bf4 {-1.06/7 4s}
>81. Re2+ {18s (Ka3)} Kf3 {-0.08/1 1s} 82. Nd4+ {11s} Kg4
>{-12.97/4 0s} 83. Nxc6 {5s (Rg7+)} Be3 {-16.08/6 1s}
>84. Rxe3 {15s} Kf4 {-M5/9 0s} 85. Bc1 {4s} g2 {-M4/8 0s}
>86. Rf7+ {5s} Kg4 {-M3/9 0s} 87. Ne5+ {7s} Kh4 {-M2/9 0s}
>88. Rh7+ {4s} Kg5 {-M1/4 0s} 89. Rf3+ {5s} 1-0
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