Author: Albert Silver
Date: 11:37:34 12/29/99
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On December 29, 1999 at 14:18:08, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>On December 29, 1999 at 13:57:43, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On December 29, 1999 at 13:02:56, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>
>>>On December 29, 1999 at 12:42:34, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 29, 1999 at 11:23:12, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 29, 1999 at 10:51:57, James A. Tackett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember when Computer Chess Reports was published once a year, and
>>>>>>Enrique Irazoqui was its editor.
>>>>>
>>>>>1982 and 1983. Red telephone, Honda 750, Mephisto II and III, and Scisys MKV
>>>>>above all. Sometimes I feel like winding my watch backwards.
>>>>>
>>>>>>The usefulness and quality of that publication
>>>>>>does not have a contemporary counterpart. I would venture to say that myself
>>>>>>and others would be willing to fork over the cost of a new chess program if we
>>>>>>could have access to a publication of that quality today. So many of the
>>>>>>posters on CCC seem to be unaware of the following facts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1] the raw strength of the program is no loger an issue for 99.99% of us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2] what maters to the vast majority of us is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a] the style and variety of play.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> b] the ability of the program to be handicaped to yield
>>>>>> a challeging and interesting opponent without throwing away
>>>>>> material or making silly moves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> c] the ability of the program to analize our games in a manor
>>>>>> that allow us to find our mistakes and thus increase our
>>>>>> understanding of chess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main problem I find in reading CCC postings is the great diversity of
>>>>>>opinions regarding the "truth," and there is no easy or reliable way to sort
>>>>>>through this maze of information. We need one objective, reliable reviewer to
>>>>>>focus on the above issues. If I can find one, just tell me where to send the
>>>>>>money!
>>>>>
>>>>>Only a few weeks ago I was hesitating about starting a new tournament, which is
>>>>>my way of getting an impression about programs. Few people seemed interested and
>>>>>I dropped the idea. A post like yours may be the excuse I need. Thanks! :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Enrique
>>>>Hi!
>>>>
>>>>Please start a new tournament with the new programs, we all want to know if
>>>>Shredder4 is the best program as claimed on the Millenium-site.
>>>
>>>I don't think it is.
>>>
>>>> Is the new
>>>>Junior6 better then Junior5? What about Fritz6 is it better than F5.32?
>>>
>>>I don't think so either.
>>>
>>>>Rebel-Century can it play against computers too? Win-Tiger is it even better
>>>>then the Dos-version?
>>>
>>>Yes, by 10 or 20 points.
>>>
>>>> Nimzo7.32 was it out of luck in the latest SSDF-list?
>>>
>>>Maybe a bit low, but not significantly.
>>>
>>>>Is it true that Diep is the best positional program?
>>>
>>>Who says? :)
>>>
>>>I would like to play a tournament. It would be at 40/40 on 2 PIII-500 with 256MB
>>>RAM. The difference in performance between a P500 and a P600 or 700 doesn't
>>>justify the price, I think. Next problem: I could play it with Tiger, Shredder
>>>4, Fritz 6, Junior 6, Hiarcs 732 and Nimzo 732, 20 game matches for a total of
>>>300 games, which takes about a month. The other possibility would be to add
>>>Crafty 17.4 and Genius 6.5, but playing 10 game matches and a total of 280
>>>games. What do you think? 20 game matches are more accurate, but including more
>>>programs is tempting, even if I don't think that they could win the torunament.
>>>
>>>>I had a Suzuki motorbike and now I have a Suzuki car but it was more funny with
>>>>the bike!
>>>
>>>I had 28 bikes, all of them much more fun than any cars. But cars are more
>>>comfortable and practical, and I can smoke while driving (never tried this on a
>>>bike), so it is cars nowadays. :(
>>
>>28 bikes! Man. I've always been a 4-wheel kind of guy, though I did enjoy a
>>Honda 350XL dirt-bike a while back. Loads of fun, particularly the 'crash'
>>course my friend gave me in driving a bike when he sold it to me. After about 5
>>minutes of cruising in first in a parking lot, and explaining the basics of
>>changing gears, he decided I was ready for the roads...
>>Nothing serious, just some small contusions, and a big lesson on the fragility
>>of my mortality. :-)
>
>Like when my father bought his first Norton 500. He was 16 and never had been
>riding a bike before. He went straight from the shop to the wall across the
>street. Fathers...
>
>>I think the idea of the tournament is great, but wondered whether you think you
>>could get CB to lend you El Diablo.
>
>Well... that's a problem. Which F6? There are 5 versions of Fritz 6 around. I
>would like to play the strongest, but also the one that will be used by the
>SSDF. Bertil?
>
>> I'd be curious to see it tested under
>>serious conditions, even if it remains a mystery. As for Crafty and Genius:
>>definitely.
>
>Definitely... But even if it means to play 10 game matches instead of 20? I
>don't know. One more thing: it would have to be Crafty as engine for Fritz. I
>guess this is no problem: the engine should be the same and I could use the good
>book of Nimzo. But 10 game matches? Hmmm...
I forgot. Why does Crafty have to be a Fritz engine if you are going to play it
through auto232 on two computers? Finally, I must say that 20 game matches are
better. It will serve no purpose if more programs are added but the value of the
experiment is diminished.
Albert Silver
>
>Enrique
>
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