Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:55:18 01/06/00
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On January 06, 2000 at 10:26:37, Chris Carson wrote: >On January 06, 2000 at 10:07:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 06, 2000 at 09:02:51, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On January 05, 2000 at 16:36:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On January 05, 2000 at 15:11:43, Chris Carson wrote: >>>> >>>>>Your opinion is valued. :) >>>>> >>>>>Take a look at some of the tournament performance >>>>>ratings (TPR) of some of the programs (Genius, Junior, Rebel, >>>>>Tiger, Hiarcs, and others). See the computer resource center, >>>>>rebel web page, Gambit Soft tournaments page and U pitt. Take >>>>>a look a the AEGON and other events. Also take a look at the >>>>>ratings on ICC. Top programs have high ratings there. :) >>>>> >>>>>Be prepared to be shocked. Sometimes the programs have high >>>>>TPR's (above SSDF ratings). Critics call these an aberation. >>>>>Sometimes the programs have lower than SSDF ratings. Critics >>>>>call this the norm. I think both are expected and normal, >>>>>just as human ratings fluctuate within expected norms. :) >>>>> >>>>>Best Regards, >>>>>Chris Carson >>>> >>>> >>>>This is bad statistical methodology however. If you pick any program of your >>>>choice from Aegon, I will pick one to offset it. For any 2600TPR you find, I >>>>will find one with a 2200 TPR. That is the problem. Statistics looks at the >>>>averages, not at individual data points. And the average is way below 2600. >>>> >>>>As far as ICC goes, Crafty has been over 3250 there. I doubt it would have a >>>>prayer in hell of doing that in FIDE events, running on a T932 even. >>> >>>Bob, >>> >>>You make some good points (as always). :) >>> >>>My point was that a 2600 TPR can be found (and I am not surprised based on >>>SSDF ratings given 95% or 99.7% confidence levels) for some programs. >>>I agree that 2200 TPR's can also be found. :) I consider both ends of >>>the spread valid for the programs associated with the numbers. :) >>> >>>I think we agree. :) >>> >>>Best Regards, >>>Chris Carson >> >> >>The point where we may not agree is on the question "Is the computer a GM yet?" >> >>It is easy to find places where a computer produced 1 2600 TPR. But to become >>a GM, it has to produce 3, and all the while keep its rating over 2500. That >>is a lot harder than it is to produce one good result that is just a statistical >>anomaly. >> >>I think that the 3 norms would be very difficult to produce, and staying over >>2500 while doing so (at least a year) would be even harder when everyone starts >>to take notice. > >Bob, > >I agree with you 100% on the above. I also do not think the programs will have >the opportunity (which is a shame) to try for GM norms. > >I did not mean to imply GM norms, only tournament performance ratings and >there is a difference as you point out. > >Just an observation. Deep Blue never achieved a GM norm. I do think >Deep Blue could achieve a GM title, it is a shame it never had the >chance. Oh, Deep Blue is in a class all its own, no intended comparison with >current programs. :) > >I am going to find out who to talk with at the University of Texas >in Dallas (they have a scholarship chess team) and see if that team would be >interested in computer competition (and if any college tournaments with other >teams would be possible). It may take some time. I wonder if any commercial >programs would be interested? How about Crafty? This might take some time >so I will let you know if anything grows from this effort. :) > >Best Regards, >Chris Carson Crafty is always available. If anyone would like to enter it in a USCF-rated event, it can be done... you can run it on my quad xeon with the databases and everything ready to go, so long as there is some sort of internet access handy (ie a PPP connection or whatever). However, most (read 99.9999999%) of all USCF events have (NC) specified, which is the killer...
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