Author: Roger
Date: 14:19:25 01/09/00
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Oh, I forgot to mention that in this reivew of Commericial programs, the
commericial programs are reviewed AFTER the ANTI-CRAFTY portion under the
subheading: "Short description of other programs."
Apparently, Crafty is such a THORN in someone's consciousness (read, Garry
Kasparov) that the other engines---Rebel, Chessmaster, Hiarcs, and the
others---the rightful focus of an article reviewing commerical engines, by the
way, are simply OTHER PROGRAMS.
I find this ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS!!! ROFLMAO...
Roger
On January 09, 2000 at 17:01:56, Roger wrote:
>I took a look at this article, and it seems like total BS. First, it opens by
>saying that it's a review of the "best commercially available programs." Then it
>IMMEDIATELY heads into a long ANTI-CRAFTY portion, when we all know that Crafty
>is free for the download!!!! That says something about the author and his
>qualifications.
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>The author DOES SAY that Crafty is often included as an engine with commercial
>programs, but even so....Why in the world would you BEGIN AN ARTICLE DEVOTED TO
>A REVIEW OF COMMERCIAL PROGRMS with a review of one of their SUBSIDIARY ENGINES.
>You wouldn't.
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>He goes on to present a tournament he designed to determine the strength of
>Crafty ("To compare Crafty with the others..."), ostensibly to provide objective
>support for his observation that "Crafty is extremely strong in tactics, but it
>makes positional errors and misplays some endgames. It doesn’t understand piece
>mobility. Despite its high rating on the Internet, Crafty is a weak program
>compared with the best commercial chess programs." The tournament shows Crafty
>getting 2.5 points of 10 against Nimzo, Fritz, and the like.
>
>But since Crafty is free for the download, and since it's a BONUS ENGINE, why
>does he NEED to design a tournament explicitly to evaluate Crafty? Hint for the
>author: "Sir, you should not head directly into a tangent after explicitly
>stating the theme of your article." This is UTTERLY STUPID, because it seems to
>make Crafty the primary focus of an article entitled "Commercial Chess Programs:
>A Comparison."
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>Worse, later he goes on to IGNORE HIS OWN RESULTS by presenting the outcome of
>another tournament he made for fun in which Crafty participated, at the same
>time controls. Here are the results, taken from the webpage:
>
>ChessBase home competition. Swiss style 7 rounds, 12 players.
>Automatic tournament 30 minutes per player per game;
>1 Junior 5 x ½ 1 1 1 1 1 1 6½
>2 Crafty 16.6 ½ x 0 1 ½ ½ 1 1 4½
>3 Junior 4.6 0 1 x 0 1 ½ 1 1 4½
>4 Fritz 6 0 0 1 x ½ 1 1 1 4½
>5 Nimzo 7.32 0 ½ 0 ½ X 1 1 1 4
>6 Hiarcs 7.32 ½ ½ 0 x ½ ½ 1 1 4
>7 Hiarcs 4 0 0 ½ x 0 1 0 1 2½
>8 Hiarcs 6 0 ½ 1 x 0 0 ½ ½ 2½
>9 Fritz 5 0 0 0 0 1 x 1 ½ 2½
>10 Fritz 5.32 0 0 0 1 0 x ½ 1 2½
>11 Comet B09 0 0 0 1 ½ ½ x 0 2
>12 LG2000 0 0 0 ½ ½ 0 1 x 2
>
>These data DIRECTLY REFUTE his earlier conclusion that "Despite its high rating
>on the Internet, Crafty is a weak program compared with the best commercial
>chess programs." In these data, it ties Fritz 6, and beats Nimzo 7.32, and
>Hiarcs 7.32, and Fritz 5.32. He then acknowledges that "The only reliable
>ranking is that of the so-called Swedish rating list," but neglects to mention
>that Crafty places higher in his little tournament than Hiarcs 7.32 and Fritz
>5.32, former list champions.
>
>Arguments about the relative strength of various programs could go on forever,
>of course, but based on the DATA THE AUTHOR ARGUES FROM, he is cannot exactly be
>called bright.
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>Roger
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>On January 09, 2000 at 15:49:45, Chris Carson wrote:
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>>On January 09, 2000 at 15:46:27, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
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>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>just wanted to note the clubkasparov site has a comparisation
>>>of commercial chess programs.
>>>
>>>They're also a bit harsh in regard to Crafty. I wonder if it
>>>was running under the Fritz interface again, the article
>>>seems to suggest so.
>>>
>>>here's the link
>>>
>>>http://www.clubkasparov.com/serve/templates/folders/show.asp?p_docID=544
>>>
>>>--
>>>GCP
>>
>>Great article.
>>
>>Thanks for posting. :)
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Chris Carson
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