Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:13:58 01/09/00
Go up one level in this thread
On January 09, 2000 at 21:10:29, Mark Young wrote: >On January 09, 2000 at 18:33:26, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: > >>On January 09, 2000 at 17:43:32, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>Let's not go off the deep end here. I personally don't give a care about >>>his comments. Feel free to tell him to drop by ICC at any point in time he >>>chooses and demonstrate how badly Crafty plays in a few blitz games. He >>>reminds me of the "catfish" in the deep south waterways. Eat anything. Dumb >>>as a rock. We say "he is like a catfish, all mouth and no brains" when some- >>>one makes silly and easily refutable remarks... >>> >>>Kasparov is in ChessBase's pocket. However, from this point forward, since >>>we are going to continue to see this, I believe that I will simply choose to >>>say that "no more crafty versions will be available for ChessBase products". >>> >>>If it is so bad, they really don't need it anyway. If I see any future versions >>>on their web site, I will let my attorney do the talking. >> >>The article is poisonous and I understand your anger, but I think you are not >>aiming well. First of all, I can't imagine Kasparov being in anybody's pocket. >>Second, the heated argument about Deep Blue can easily explain the animosity >>towards Crafty without resorting to third parties. >> >>What I can tell you is that I keep receiving regular updates of Crafty for CB, >>together with positive comments about it. I don't believe in the long and >>sinister arm of CB, and even less in this case. >> >>Enrique > >I don't see why Bob is so upset. The comments made are pretty much accurate. Actually they are way off, and here is why: > >"Crafty is extremely strong in tactics." ....True Dead false. Try _any_ commercial program on a tactical test position, and then try Crafty. I have not tried to fiddle a lot with deep search extensions, and am usually far slower than everybody else to find a deep tactical shot. The King may be the best, but others like Rebel are very good. I do _not_ consider crafty very tactical. > >"it makes positional errors and misplays some endgames" ....True It misplays fewer endgames than most commercial programs. It certainly has some knowledge that none of them at present are using. > >"It doesn?t understand piece mobility." ....True, but could use more >explaination. Dead false. I use mobility where it is important, because my bitmap stuff makes it totally free to do so. IE it pretty well understands good vs bad bishops, due to this. etc. > >"Crafty is a weak program compared with the best commercial chess >programs."....True > >I have seen no crafty results even by you that dispute those observations. Bob >may not like it but at this time his program is still weaker then the top >programs. It must be noted that bob has closed the gap in the last year, but >crafty is still not on par with the top commercail programs. I play the top commercial programs on ICC all the time, at long standard time controls. So far, nobody is 'killing me'. I can't think of a program that I am not at least breaking even with, and really can not think of one of those. Yes I have faster hardware. But I spent the time to make the program use it... But the real fly in the ointment was to say it is not playing well, then give a tournament where it finished in second place above the programs the guy was praising... and in that tournament it was on _equal_ hardware. You might notice one thing in my writing here and elsewhere. I don't run down other programs. Because I _know_ that every chess program represents a heck of a lot of work. De Gorter obviously doesn't know much about it at all... and it shows...
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.