Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 03:31:41 01/11/00
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On January 10, 2000 at 21:34:36, Mark Young wrote:
>On January 10, 2000 at 21:14:20, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 10, 2000 at 20:51:58, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>"it makes positional errors and misplays some endgames"
>>>
>>>"It doesn?t understand piece mobility."...... Very true in this game.
>>>
>>>"Crafty is a weak program compared with the best commercial chess
>>>programs."
>>>
>>>Score after 21 games at G/30
>>>
>>>Fritz 6 16
>>>
>>>Crafty 16.6 5
>>>(chessbase version)
>>>
>>>[Event "mark-11"]
>>>[Site ""]
>>>[Date "2000.01.10"]
>>>[Round "22.1"]
>>>[White "Crafty 16.6"]
>>>[Black "Fritz 6"]
>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>[ECO "B31"]
>>>[WhiteElo "2431"]
>>>[BlackElo "2563"]
>>>[PlyCount "108"]
>>>[EventDate "2000.01.10"]
>>>[Source ""]
>>>
>>>1. e4 {0} 1... c5 {0} 2. Nf3 {0} 2... Nc6 {0} 3. Bb5 {0} 3... g6 {0} 4. Nc3 {0}
>>>4... Bg7 {0} 5. O-O {0} 5... d6 {0}
>>>
>>>[D] r1bqk1nr/pp2ppbp/2np2p1/1Bp5/4P3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w kq - 0 5
>>>
>>> 6. e5 {0.69/10 88} 6... dxe5 {-0.19/12 74}
>>>7. Qe1 {(Re1) 0.43/10 50} 7... Qc7 {-0.28/12 78} 8. Qe3 {0.29/10 53} 8... Bg4 {
>>>-0.38/11 41} 9. Re1 {(d3) 0.26/10 46} 9... Bxf3 {(f6) -0.34/11 44} 10. Qxf3 {
>>>0.37/11 45} 10... Nf6 {(Nh6) -0.34/12 80}
>>>
>>>[D] r3k2r/ppq1ppbp/2n2np1/1Bp1p3/8/2N2Q2/PPPP1PPP/R1B1R1K1 w kq - 0 10
>>>
>>> 11. Bxc6+ {(d3) 0.49/11 44} 11...
>>>Qxc6 {-0.06/13 33} 12. Qxc6+ {0.47/12 65} 12... bxc6 {-0.13/13 15} 13. Rxe5 {
>>>0.47/13 40} 13... Nd5 {0.09/11 40} 14. Re2 {0.43/12 40} 14... c4 {0.12/10 48}
>>>15. Nd1 {0.35/12 38} 15... Kd7 {(Rd8) 0.19/11 61}
>>>
>>>[D] r6r/p2kppbp/2p3p1/3n4/2p5/8/PPPPRPPP/R1BN2K1 w - - 0 15
>>>
>>> 16. Re4 {0.76/12 39} 16...
>>>Nb6 {0.28/11 69} 17. Rh4 {(Rb1) 0.66/11 37} 17... f5 {(c5) 0.09/10 43} 18. Ne3
>>>{(Rb1) 0.58/11 36} 18... Bf6 {(Rab8) -0.22/11 77} 19. Rf4 {0.51/12 34} 19... e5
>>>{(Bg5) -0.41/11 39} 20. Rf3 {0.32/13 33} 20... e4 {(Bg5) -0.47/11 38}
>>>
>>>[D] r6r/p2k3p/1np2bp1/5p2/2p1p3/4NR2/PPPP1PPP/R1B3K1 w - - 0 20
>>>
>>>21. Rh3 {
>>>0.35/12 32} 21... f4 {(Bg5) -0.41/10 33} 22. Nd1 {(Ng4) 0.25/12 31} 22... h5 {
>>>(Nd5) -0.31/10 42} 23. Rb1 {0.50/10 30} 23... Nd5 {-0.31/10 42} 24. Ra3 {
>>>(Kf1) 0.41/11 30} 24... Rhe8 {(f3) -0.28/9 27} 25. Ra4 {(g3) 0.35/11 30} 25...
>>>a5 {(Nb6) -0.25/10 26}
>>>
>>>[D] r3r3/3k4/2p2bp1/p2n3p/R1p1pp2/8/PPPP1PPP/1RBN2K1 w - a6 0 25
>>>
>>>
>>> 26. Kf1 {0.19/11 27} 26... Nb6 {(f3) -0.19/9 20} 27. Ra3
>>>{0.00/12 28} 27... a4 {(Nd5) -0.28/10 67} 28. Rh3 {(b3) -0.13/11 27} 28... Nd5
>>>{-0.56/10 27} 29. g3 {(f3) -0.43/10 26} 29... f3 {(fxg3) -1.00/10 22} 30. a3 {
>>>(g4) -1.16/11 35} 30... Ke6 {(Rh8) -1.59/11 29}
>>>
>>>[D] r3r3/8/2p1kbp1/3n3p/p1p1p3/P4pPR/1PPP1P1P/1RBN1K2 w - - 0 30
>>>
>>>
>>> 31. g4 {(Nc3) -1.85/12 24}
>>>31... hxg4 {-2.06/11 21} 32. Rg3 {-1.93/12 23} 32... Rh8 {(Kf5) -2.22/11 22}
>>>33. Rxg4 {-2.48/11 23} 33... Rxh2 {-2.44/10 18} 34. Rg1 {-3.62/10 30} 34... Nf4
>>>{-3.34/11 32} 35. Ke1 {-5.06/10 73} 35... Rah8 {-3.59/10 24} 36. d3 {
>>>-5.61/10 31} 36... Rh1 {-3.97/9 21} 37. Bxf4 {-5.69/10 18} 37... Rxg1+ {
>>>-4.41/8 3} 38. Kd2 {-4.68/4 1} 38... Bd4 {(exd3) -4.34/9 19} 39. Rc1 {
>>>(Ra1) -6.42/10 28} 39... Rhh1 {-4.88/9 8} 40. Rb1 {-8.81/10 26} 40... Re1 {
>>>-9.34/9 16} 41. Nc3 {-11.79/9 17} 41... e3+ {-11.28/9 3} 42. fxe3 {-11.99/11 16
>>>} 42... f2 {-11.44/9 6} 43. Ne2 {-12.41/10 30} 43... f1=Q {-11.38/8 5} 44.
>>>Nxd4+ {-13.43/10 14} 44... Kd7 {-12.56/10 4} 45. Kc3 {-13.84/11 22} 45... Rxb1
>>>{-13.66/11 3} 46. Kxc4 {-15.69/10 25} 46... Rxb2 {-15.53/9 4} 47. Bg5 {
>>>-15.69/9 71} 47... Qb1 {-16.78/8 3} 48. Nxc6 {(e4) -#7/8 60} 48... Rxc2+ {
>>>-#7/6 1} 49. Kd4 {-#6/8 8} 49... Qb6+ {-#5/4 0} 50. Ke5 {(Ke4) -#5/8 9} 50...
>>>Qc5+ {(Qb5+) -#4/4 0} 51. Kf6 {(Ke4) -#4/7 10} 51... Qf8+ {-#4/4 0} 52. Ke5 {
>>>-#3/8 8} 52... Qf5+ {-#3/3 0} 53. Kd4 {-#2/4 0} 53... Kxc6 {-#2/2 0} 54. Be7 {
>>>-#1/8 8} 54... Qd5# {-#1/2 0} 0-1
>>>
>>>[D] 8/4B3/2k3p1/3q4/p2K4/P2PP3/2r5/7r w - - 0 54
>>
>>
>>Maybe I miss the point. Or is there a point when you want to test a version of
>>the program that is over a year old? When there are many newer versions of
>>Crafty for the chessbase interfaces?
>>
>>Feel free to whiz over to ICC and have a go at the most recent version, which
>>seems to be playing pretty solidly...
>>
>>16.6 had plenty of problems... The article did not say "crafty 16.6 is playing
>>weakly or makes positional mistakes". It said "crafty ..."
>>
>>And most everything said was bass-ackward...
>
>I took from the article that he was discussing crafty 16.6 since this is the
>version he had and tested. And if this was the Crafty version had and was
>talking about like you said it had its problems.
I didn't take it like that myself. IE if he had said "crafty 16.6 makes some
positional errors" I would agree, as it had broken (badly) king safety. But
he didn't say "crafty 16.6". He said "crafty". In reality, what he is playing
is not crafty, for the most part. Using someone else's book, who knows whether
it used two computers or one, etc...
I learn a lot more watching a 'known entity' play.
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