Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:31:04 01/13/00
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On January 13, 2000 at 03:50:51, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On January 12, 2000 at 15:12:21, Rajendran Ramachandran wrote: > >>On January 11, 2000 at 21:46:38, Roger wrote: >> >>>Excerpt from the interview: >>> >>>"For instance, if you were to remove the database, you can >>>have a computer ten times faster than it is today. Ten >>>times faster than Deep Blue, easily. If it couldn't >>>consult its opening book, my result would improve >>>immediately. I think most of the top twenty, thirty >>>players could beat Beep Blue if it wasn't allowed to >>>consult an opening database. Or, even the opening >>>database is restricted to a certain size. What happens >>>is, their opening database is almost 400-500 MBs of >>>information. It has access to all the games that are >>>played but we have to remember all that. Or, if I am >>>allowed to have a computer with me, okay, I can't check >>>my thoughts but I can see what was played at any given >>>time. My result would then go up." >>> >>>I think he's wrong >> >> >> >> >>Well...It just could be translation..Or your way of understanding the free >>flowing conversation... >> >>Probably he meant that without database even if you have a computer that is ten >>times faster than Deep Blue, top players could beat the computer. >> >>I think he is right! > >It is a two parter. One is what would happen if the program played without a >book. The other is what would happen if the book were restricted to a smaller >size. > >I think that without a book you are likely to see an increase in inferior moves >right off the top, so as white the computer ends up discarding its advantage, >and as black it ends up getting into trouble quickly. There is also the issue >of repeatability of lines, it's a lot easier to beat something that plays the >same way every time. > >I think he's wrong regarding a smaller book, unless it's super small, like just >a few moves. With a few thousand moves you reduce the chance of repeated games, >and you give the program a higher liklihood of getting its pieces developed, >leading to a game where the program is less likely to get instantly creamed. > >bruce Right. But I have re-read his statement several times, and the only interpretation I can make is that he thinks that by removing the opening book, it will speed the program up 10X. >>>"For instance, if you were to remove the database, you can >>>have a computer ten times faster than it is today. Ten >>>times faster than Deep Blue, easily. ie "if you remove ..." -> "you can have ..." That is obviously wrong. And "ten times faster than deep blue, easily" sure seems difficult to imagine... IMHO. :)
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