Author: stuart taylor
Date: 20:34:38 01/13/00
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On January 13, 2000 at 23:23:41, stuart taylor wrote:
>On January 13, 2000 at 06:19:55, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>On January 12, 2000 at 01:38:14, stuart taylor wrote:
>>
>>> But the greatest players have to make the greatest moves, and when the
>>>machine is already programed with almost any possible 20 greatest first
>>>moves in any game, that's already half the game in the machines pocket.
>>
>>No. Nobody knows what the greatest moves are.
>>
>>I have seen a million posts here saying, "this game was lost due to a bad line
>>in program X's opening book." If you go to a computer chess tournament, you hear
>>this complaint frequently.
>>
>>The fact is, you don't simply download a few gigabytes of PGN files and all of a
>>sudden your program plays openings perfectly. It is very difficult to keep your
>>program from playing the s****y moves. It is very difficult to make your program
>>play openings that it is good at. It is very difficult to keep people from
>>exploiting holes in your opening book and opening book algorithms.
>>
>>IMHO, the opening book is a necessary evil. It is a crutch to keep the program
>>from playing the same moves, and therefore losing every single game it plays.
>>None of the programmers I know like working on their opening books. None of them
>>get really excited about terrific new opening book algorithms. Basically, it's a
>>feature that we would not have unless it's necessary.
>>
>>-Tom
>
>
>O.K. But surely it gives a great advantage to machine, unless human spends
>his life trying to find holes in all known theory. And there are less and
>less holes left to find, and when they are found, they will be corrected
>very quickly in databases, whereas poor human has unending burdens which
>are hardley to do with chess-but a regrettable necesity-esp. for the human.
> S.Taylor
I reread your posting. I mean to say that a human (moreso than machine-
unless specially programed against it) has the disadvantage with UPDATED
opening books.
And by the way Tom, thanks for your answers about Athlon.
S.Taylor
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