Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 05:47:19 01/14/00
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On January 13, 2000 at 19:04:33, Chessfun wrote:
>On January 13, 2000 at 18:59:26, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On January 13, 2000 at 17:04:01, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On January 13, 2000 at 15:37:28, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 13, 2000 at 14:10:01, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 13, 2000 at 14:02:44, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 13, 2000 at 09:14:09, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[Event "Tiger-Diep match"]
>>>>>>>[Site "k6-400"]
>>>>>>>[Date "2000.01.12"]
>>>>>>>[Round "2"]
>>>>>>>[White "Chess Tiger 12.0e"]
>>>>>>>[Black "Diep2"]
>>>>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>>>>[Opening ""]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>{}
>>>>>>>1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.a3 Nxe4 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Bd3 dxe4 7.Bxe4 Nd4 8.c3 Qh4
>>>>>>>9.d3
>>>>>>>Bg4 10.Qa4+
>>>>>>>Bd7 11.Qd1 Bg4 12.Qa4+ Bd7 13.Qd1 Bg4 1/2-1/2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And now ???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>it seems diep always replays the book moves, and
>>>>>>>tiger without book is not learning.
>>>>>>>so - how often shall i reproduce the 2 games ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello Thorsten,
>>>>>>Can you please remind me why Tiger is playing without book? I'm sure Vincent
>>>>>>wants this to give his program some advantage but why is it being done?
>>>>>>Jim Walker
>>>>>
>>>>>I think Vincent was whining about how Tiger gets winning positions from book.
>>>>>In response, Christophe said Tiger would play the match without book, so Vincent
>>>>>would quit complaining about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Christop33he
>>>
>>>Would it have made for sense to play say game 1 then at the point
>>>where Tiger left book reverse colors and play game 2 from this
>>>exact same position.
>>>
>>>This way both would have got a chance to win from this position,
>>>claimed to be winning positions out of book, then we could have
>>>seen how strong that statement was or wasn't.
>>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>>Yes, there are several ways to avoid getting the same games several times. If
>>Vincent agrees we can find a way, without modifying the programs.
>>
>>
>> Christophe
>
>I should maybe have been more specific. What I meant to say is that
>instead of playing with no book play both programs with book.
>Then after game 1, reverse colors where Tiger left book. This way
>were it a killer book that made it strong and not the engine itself
>the result would appear more apparent.
>Thanks.
When talking about the Noomen book i directly sign in for such a contest.
Note that diep knows a little how to play with pawns, in contradiction to most
programs, therefore in both Kures and Noomens book the programs hardly have
to invent difficult pawn moves as difficult pawn structures aren't in the
evaluation of those programs. This doesn't keep us away from the fact that
i sign directly in for such a contest.
Vincent
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