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Subject: Re: Anand comment about Deep Blue

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:39:16 01/14/00

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On January 14, 2000 at 03:44:14, george petty wrote:

>On January 13, 2000 at 23:15:02, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 13, 2000 at 19:42:22, george petty wrote:
>>
>>>On January 13, 2000 at 18:29:58, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 13, 2000 at 17:27:47, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 13, 2000 at 15:36:13, Paul Massie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>One of Kasparov's greatest strengths is his ability to study opponents and
>>>>>>prepare things especially for them.  He is actually more versatile than most of
>>>>>>his opponents, so he is better able to prepare surprises for them. Also, he
>>>>>>tends to have more research ability (either personally or through his backup
>>>>>>team), so again he is very successful at preparing for opponents.  Since he
>>>>>>wasn't able to see any DB games prior to the match, he wasn't able to utilize
>>>>>>that strength.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He obviously thought when going into the match that he could still win without
>>>>>>that advantage, but after he lost he was bitterly regretting not having insisted
>>>>>>on a way to prepare specifically for DB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Interestingly enough, it seems quite debatable as to whether that should be
>>>>>>considered a reasonable condition for him, or whether it actually constitutes an
>>>>>>unfair advantage to him to be able to prepare at that length.  It is clear that,
>>>>>>given a number of games to study, he would have been able to do much better
>>>>>>against DB - providing DB didn't change it's playing style.  But why should it
>>>>>>be fair for DB to be forced to remain constant, while Gary is able to adapt to
>>>>>>its style?
>>>>>
>>>>>when one evaluates chessmaster 6000, one can evaluate it with any number of
>>>>>different types of personalities-similarly kasparov should have been allowed to
>>>>>evaluate deep blue with all its potential personalities for a perid of a few
>>>>>weeks-a pretty fair bargain as deep blue was able to evaluate every single game
>>>>>GK
>>>>>
>>>>>rajen gupta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There are a nearly infinite number of 'personalities'.  This idea is impossible
>>>>to implement.
>>>>
>>>>And then there is the problem with Kasparov's "personalities" as well.  He
>>>>played in this match unlike the way he played in any other event in his life.
>>>>Was that fair, assuming the DB guys had studied what he had done in the past?
>>>>
>>>>This is a nonsensical argument from kasparov, and shows how little he knows
>>>>about the insides of a chess program.
>>>
>>>  That's utter nonsense!!!!!   That's showing complete ignorant!!!
>>>
>>>  THINK and try to be half way fair.  What you are saying won't fly with most
>>> of the top GM's.  They will be laughting at that foolish talk.
>>>
>>>    George
>>
>>
>>Let 'em laugh.  The ones that laugh know nothing about the computer.  The ones
>>that _don't laugh will nod and say "that makes sense."
>
> You are not modest are you?  If you knew so much about computers, why is
> your program not up there with the TOP programs, such as Fritz, Rebel,
> Junior, and Shredder just to name a few?  I am afraid there is a lot more
> people laughing at what you say and do than you think.  The top GM's are
> very gifted and they are up there because they know alot about Chess and
> Systems, or they will not be where they are. The ones that don't laught,
> will not know the different between foolish talk and what does make sense.
>
> George


Should I really respond to what is obviously a "troll"?

I don't think so.





>>
>>But allowing him to play every "personality" in a program that has roughly
>>8,000 (Hsu's number) tunable evaluation parameters would take a _long_ time.
>>(Hint:  evaluate 8000! [factorial])  How many games per personality would be
>>required? (then think about that number * 8000!).
>>
>>The concept is ridiculous, to say the least.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Small changes completely modify the
>>>>way it plays...



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