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Subject: Re: Cadaqués Tournament Shredder 4 - Junior 6.0 Game 4

Author: Ernst Walet

Date: 10:04:28 01/15/00

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On January 15, 2000 at 10:52:14, James Robertson wrote:

>On January 15, 2000 at 03:41:15, blass uri wrote:
>
>>On January 15, 2000 at 01:19:48, Len Eisner wrote:
>>
>>>In the following position Junior 6 plays 88…Rd3+ which wins (mate in 15), but
>>>the simple g4 wins much faster (mate in 8).  Why do the tablebases prevent
>>>Junior from finding the fastest mate?
>>>
>>>[D]6k1/8/8/6p1/b2K4/r7/8/8 b - - 0 88
>>>
>>>Len
>>
>>1)Junior has not the KRBP vs K tablebases.
>>
>>2)Finding the fastest mate is not important for winning games so the programmers
>>do not care about it.
>>
>>Junior plays the first mate it finds by search and not the fastest mate.
>
>You think it would be easier to find a mate in 8 than a mate in 15.
>
>James
>
>>
>>Uri

This is Shredder´s analysis with only the 4 piece tablebases installed so not
having the right tablebase seems not relevant.

adapting time!
 8.01   0:00.65 +21.63   g4 Kd5 g3 Ke5 g2 Kf5 Re3 Kg5 g1Q+ Kh5 (121.634) 184.5
 8 ->   0:01.12 +21.63   g4 Kd5 g3 Ke5 g2 Kf5 Re3 Kg5 g1Q+ Kh5 (226.942) 201.0
 9.01   0:01.14 +21.88++ g4 Kd5 g3 Ke5 g2 Kf5 Re3 Kg5 g1Q+ Kh4 Kf7 (228.334)
199.5
 9.01   0:01.22 +22.38++ g4 Kd5 g3 Ke5 g2 Kf5 Re3 Kg5 g1Q+ Kh4 Bd7 (240.873)
195.9
 9.01   0:01.48 +22.39   g4 Kd5 g3 Ke5 g2 Kf5 Re3 Kf4 g1Q Kf5 Bc2+ Kf6 Kf8
(282.223) 189.5
 9.12   0:03.85    +M24++ Kg7 Kc5 Rc3+ Kd5 Bd7 Kd4 Bc6 Ke5 Rd3 Ke6 Kf8 Kf6 Bd7
Ke5 Kg8 Ke4 Bc6+ Ke5 Kf7 Kf5 Bd7+ Ke4 Kf6 Kxd3 (728.003) 188.9
 9.12   0:03.94    +M22   Kg7 Kc5 Rc3+ Kd5 Kf7 Kd6 Bc2 Ke5 Rd3 Kf5 Bd1 Ke5 Ba4
Ke4 Bc6+ Kf5 Bd7+ Ke4 Kf6 Kxd3 (749.842) 190.1
 9.21   0:05.03    +M21++ Rc3 Kd5 Kf7 Kd6 Bc2 Ke5 Rd3 Kf5 Bd1 Ke5 Ba4 Ke4 Bc6+
Kf5 Bd7+ Ke4 Kf6 Kxd3 (873.485) 173.3
 9.21   0:05.21    +M17   Rc3 Ke5 Rd3 Ke6 Kg7 Kf5 Kf8 Ke5 Kf7 Ke4 Bc6+ Kf5 Bd7+
Ke4 Kf6 Kxd3 (914.065) 175.2
 9 ->   0:05.22    +M17   Rc3 Ke5 Rd3 Ke6 Kg7 Kf5 Kf8 Ke5 Kf7 Ke4 Bc6+ Kf5 Bd7+
Ke4 Kf6 Kxd3 (917.707) 175.5
10.01   0:05.63    +M16   Rc3 Ke5 Rd3 Ke6 Kg7 Kf5 Kf8 Ke5 Kf7 Ke4 Bc6+ Kf5 Bd7+
Ke4 Kf6 Kxd3 (1.008.937) 179.0
10 ->   0:08.10    +M16   Rc3 Ke5 Rd3 Ke6 Kg7 Kf5 Kf8 Ke5 Kf7 Ke4 Bc6+ Kf5 Be4+
Kg4 Bf5+ Kxf5 (1.601.750) 197.6
11.01   0:08.45    +M15   Rc3 Ke5 Kf7 Kd5 Kf6 Kd6 Bb3 Kd7 Be6+ Kd6 Rc7 Kxc7
(1.667.730) 197.2
11 ->   0:12.31    +M15   Rc3 Ke5 Kf7 Kd5 Kf6 Kd6 Bb3 (2.593.641) 210.6
12.01   0:13.87    +M15   Rc3 Ke5 Kf7 Kd5 Kf6 Kd6 Bb3 Kd7 Be6+ Kd6 Rc7 Kxc7
(2.969.477) 214.0
12.05   0:20.05    +M14++ g4 Kd5 g3 Ke5 g2 Kd4 g1Q+ Kd5 Bc6+ Ke5 Qg5+ Kd6 Qd5+
Kc7 Qd8+ Kxd8 (4.358.625) 217.2
12.05   0:25.32    +M9   g4 Kd5 g3 Ke5 g2 Kd4 g1Q+ Kc4 Bc6 Kb4 Ra4+ Kb3 Qc5 Kb2
Rb4+ Ka1 Qa5# (5.419.461) 213.9
12 ->   0:31.56    +M9   g4 Kd5 g3 Ke5 g2 Kd4 g1Q+ Kc4 Bc6 Kb4 Ra4+ Kb3 Qc5 Kb2
Rb4+ Ka1 Qa5# (6.883.639) 218.1




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