Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:32:33 01/18/00
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On January 18, 2000 at 19:11:09, george petty wrote: >On January 18, 2000 at 18:42:37, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 18, 2000 at 18:19:48, george petty wrote: >> >>>On January 18, 2000 at 16:54:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On January 18, 2000 at 15:35:06, george petty wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom, I think there still too many open questions out there that we do not know >>>>> the answers to yet. Now do you really think he is a idiot (and a jerk)? You >>>>> being a programmer, and having a top program, do you think some of his logic >>>>> could have some possibilty, that something fishy may have occured? Right now >>>>> I don't know, and I question, what do we know are the real facts, not opinions. >>>>> I still think if I.B.M. had came out with the printouts first, there would not >>>>> be so much distrust of I.B.M. or Kasparov having any grounds to cry. Just a >>>>> thought. But to keep an open mind and watch. I think the TRUTH will come out >>>>> sometime with all these outstanding minds, looking everything so close. >>>> >>>> >>>>I think if IBM had produced the printouts Kasparov would have _still_ tried >>>>the same excuses. "they doctored them to say what they wanted". >>> >>> Bob, if they had released them immediately, a lot of these things would never >>> have came up. To say that Kasparov would have still tried the same excuses, >>> seems to me, as not being very fair and extremly biased against Him. >> >>Not nearly so unfair as to take the group that built a chess machine that >>did what no other has come close to doing, and right after they accomplish what >>we _all_ were saying was impossible, to accuse them of 'cheating' to do this, >>was simply _very_ ugly. So how is my suspecting that he would have found other >>things to complain about worse than what he did in the _first_ place. No >>evidence. Just got his tail kicked and then resigned in a drawn position that >>he overlooked. And he accused deep blue of cheating? :) >> >> >> >>> >>> They could have been doctored up, we don't know yet. >> >>There you go... right out of Kasparov's mouth. Always assume the DB guys >>cheated... > > >How did you get that out of my statement? Quite easy. I don't know that you are not a thief. I don't know that you are not immoral. I don't know that you are a complete idiot. I don't know a lot of things about you. And I _do_ _not_ make those claims, either, do I? _that_ is the difference. Saying "we don't know yet" is the same thing as saying "there might be something fishy here..." > >I said WE DON'T KNOW YET. > >Do you know something the rest of us don't know? Apparently a lot in some cases... > >Bob we all have opinions. But we are trying to get to the FACTS. I repeat >do you have some FACTS that rest of the world does not have? > Yes. I have seen the logs. I have seen DB play games OTB. I know all of the people involved. They have _never_ cheated before. I know a little about Kasparov. I know that he moved a piece and then took it back, and was caught on video (against Polgar.) So Kasparov is a proven cheater, The DB guys are not. Those are a _lot_ of facts. And _none_ of them suggest that the DB guys would do _anything_ to possibly wreck their reputations.. absolutely nothing... > > never assume Kasparov just prepared poorly and screwed up as a >>result. >> > > >I'm not taking anything for granted without FACTS and PROOF. > IMHO you are taking a _lot_ without proof. To even suggest that there is a possibility of cheating is going way overboard.. > >> >>> >>> "They had >>>>no 'chain of evidence' to make sure they were observed at all times." Etc. >>>> >>>>If someone wants an excuse, they can _always_ manufacture an excuse. Whether >>>>it makes technical sense or not. >>> >>>Thats true of both parties. Why should we take one side over the other, until >>>we get more FACTS and not OPINIONS? >> >> >>Innocent until proven guilty is the reason. >> >>Nothing more needs be said. no comment about the above???
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