Author: Chris Carson
Date: 18:47:22 01/20/00
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On January 20, 2000 at 20:19:29, Dann Corbit wrote: >On January 20, 2000 at 20:13:56, Chris Carson wrote: >[snip] >>You could be right. :) However, DT had several failures against >>the macro's on much slower hardware. I can post those later if you >>like. DT 0.01 and 0.02 did have some very good results. DT had >>very mixed results, some impressive, some very disappointing. :) >> >>The DB team was smart for not letting DB/DBII in public before the >>matches. Todays commercial programs play in public and many times the >>human or computer opponent has time to prepare. IMHO: In a real contest, >>this is another advantage for the micors, if DB played a lot of games, >>I think it's TPR' would fall. Today's commercial programs already have >>that reflected in their posted TPR's. :) >> >>BTW: You have made some good points, both in this thread and a couple >>of the other related threads. Your point of view makes me think. Thanks. > >I think you are going to see a titanic fall in the ELO of the micros very soon. >I believe (without proof) that GM's are starting to figure out that you need to >use anti-computer tactics when you play them [and to discover exactly what those >tactics are]. Consider the recent Rebel rematch. I think the GM did a bit of >research (or maybe played a whole bunch of games against Rebel) to figure out >the techniques to use against such an opponent. If an IM like Hawkeye can give >micros fits by playing anticomputer chess, then the GM's and SuperGM's will be >able to crush them once they get the hang of it. No argument here. I do believe a well prepared master (FM, IM, or GM) can score well against the micros. Same is true for a human opponent. I also believe we will see some lower TPR's (SSDF and simple stats support this), however, I will not be surprised to also see better TPR's. I think more IM's and GM's will avoid programs more. I think they will use them more for preparation and study, but avoid them as opponents. Even in League play, I think we will see the lower rated team members playing aginst the programs to avoid a lose by an unprepared high rated team member. I expect we may see some draws and maybe even some loses, but that is expected, just as the higher TPR's are. > >However, that regained advantage will be short lived. Even if the programs do >not improve at all, hardware improves exponentially. Suppose we gain only 50 >ELO per year due to hardware. In ten years that's 500 ELO. The computer march >forward is inexorable. I agree, and I think there are some pretty talented programers that will take full advantage of the hardware improvements. :) This is a great time to be involved in Computer Chess! :) Best Regards, Chris Carson
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