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Subject: Re: DT and DB (prototype) vs Computers

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:23:49 01/25/00

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On January 25, 2000 at 18:31:24, John Warfield wrote:

>On January 25, 2000 at 17:28:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 25, 2000 at 16:36:15, John Warfield wrote:
>>
>>>On January 25, 2000 at 09:28:06, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 25, 2000 at 02:18:20, John Warfield wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 24, 2000 at 16:25:23, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Try to follow (all games are 40/2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Date	Player	FIDE	Program	PS
>>>>>>Feb-97	Ernst	2450	Rebel 8	0
>>>>>>Mar-97	Corvi	2306	Rebel 8	0.5
>>>>>>Jun-97	Akesson	2485	Rebel 8	1
>>>>>>Jun-97	Akesson	2485	Rebel 8	0
>>>>>>Nov-97	Santos	2190	Rebel 9	1
>>>>>>Nov-97	Pena	2330	Rebel 9	1
>>>>>>Nov-97	Doming	2340	Rebel 9	0.5
>>>>>>Nov-97	Mateo	2408	Rebel 9	1
>>>>>>Nov-97	Hernand	2320	Rebel 9	1
>>>>>>Dec-98	Domingu	2340	Rebel 10	0.5
>>>>>>Dec-98	Pinal	2330	Rebel 10	1
>>>>>>Dec-98	Alvara	2180	Rebel 10	1
>>>>>>Dec-98	Fernend	2180	Rebel 10	1
>>>>>>Dec-98	Mateo	2415	Rebel 10	1
>>>>>>Dec-98	Montes	2130	Rebel 10	0.5
>>>>>>Dec-98	Jaquez	2220	Rebel 10	1
>>>>>>May-99	Rohde	2585	Reb-Cen	0
>>>>>>Jul-99	Sorin	2524	Reb-Cen	0.5
>>>>>>Jul-99	Anand	2795	Reb-Cen	0.5
>>>>>>Jul-99	Anand	2795	Reb-Cen	0
>>>>>>Aug-99	Rohde	2585	Reb-Cen	0.5
>>>>>>Sep-99	Hoffman	2501	Reb-Cen	0
>>>>>>Sep-99	Zapolsk 2399	Reb-Cen	1
>>>>>>Sep-99	Ruzele	2515	Reb-Cen	0.5
>>>>>>Sep-99	Krivono 2432	Reb-Cen	0.5
>>>>>>Sep-99	Grablia	2466	Reb-Cen	0.5
>>>>>>Oct-99	Scherba	2541	Reb-Cen	1
>>>>>>Oct-99	Sakalau	2450	Reb-Cen	0
>>>>>>Oct-99	Zagorsk	2486	Reb-Cen	1
>>>>>>Oct-99	Krivono	2432	Reb-Cen	0.5
>>>>>>Oct-99	Grablia	2466	Reb-Cen	0
>>>>>>Dec-99	Baburin 2593	Reb-Cen	0.5
>>>>>>Jan-00	Scherba	2552	Reb-Cen	0
>>>>>>Jan-00	Russek	2398	Reb-Cen	1
>>>>>>Jan-00	Russek	2398	Reb-Cen	0.5
>>>>>>Jan-00	Russek	2398	Reb-Cen	0.5
>>>>>>Jan-00	Russek	2398	Reb-Cen	1
>>>>>>Jan-00	Nur	2300	Reb-Cen	1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All ratings are FIDE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rating for 37 games = 2523.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rating for best 25 = 2553.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>These are FIDE ratings, better than USCF!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The DT source you quoted uses G/30, G/60, G/90,
>>>>>>if that is not correct for DT Freddikin, please
>>>>>>provide the score, date, match, ... as I have
>>>>>>done or a source that explicitly calls it out!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please provide actual data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>>>Chris Carson
>>>>>
>>>>> I was hoping that Dr. Hyatt would respond to this post, doesn't look like that
>>>>>is going to happen as he cannot obviously produce the type of data that you
>>>>>produce. LOL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Maybe between 8pm when I got home and 9am when I get back to my office, I don't
>>>>have any way to obtain the info?  I am sure that no game/30 games were included
>>>>in any of DT's record, because USCF doesn't rate those so far as I know.  It is
>>>>certainly possible that game/60 was included, but I don't know of any game/60
>>>>time controls in the major tournaments DT played in.  It will take a short
>>>>while to get the answers...
>>>>
>>>>Continue laughing... it is good for your health, and gives you something
>>>>useful to do.
>>>
>>>  We are still waiting for you to present your data as chris has presented his,
>>>or are you going to wait for this thread to die down and get lost in the sea of
>>>messages so you won't have to reply??  LOL
>>
>>
>>How about if I wait until you drop dead?
>>
>>Welcome to my very short list of folks that I don't respond to.
>>
>>caio.
>
>
>     Wow!! What a high class response. Is this how College professors Talk at
>your university? I guess since you could produce no data to back up your claims
>you had to resort to insults.  LOL  still waiting for the data


If you think _my_ response was "high-class" please look in a mirror.  Did you
not put words into my mouth?  example:

  "We are still waiting for you to present your data as chris has presented his,
   or are you going to wait for this thread to die down and get lost in the sea
   of messages so you won't have to reply??  LOL"

Chris's data is flawed.  He knows it.  He asked for help in finding out what
games were used for DT's rating calculations.  He got those games from a book
I have on my shelf, which does _not_ give the time control for each game.  It
is non-trivial to figure out what the time-controls were.  The post was made
last night.  And I am "hiding" because I didn't answer within 12 hours?  I
have other things to do beside being prodded to do something you want to see.
You think you know what I am doing?  Good luck.  Keep LOL.  It covers up your
other serious flaw, that of having your foot stuck firmly in your mouth.

I'll provide some time control data when I find it.  I am certain that the
Fredkin prize stated "tournament time controls" which was considered to be
40/2hrs back when it was founded in 1980 or so.  Several of the games Chris
had were matches which the USCF doesn't use to rate.  The two games vs IM
Mike Valvo were played on the internet and weren't used.  There are probably
other games he gave that were not used, and there are certainly several he
didn't give that were used.  But it is not a 20 minute task to find them.  If
you don't like my search speed, buzz off and find them yourself.  Or sit and
wait until I can do so.  But you have no chance of speeding me up with stupid
remarks..

Now, go laugh all you want.



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