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Subject: Re: Need to know maximum # of N-B-R-Q for black and white (Hey Karins-Dad)!

Author: J. Wesley Cleveland

Date: 12:07:41 01/26/00

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On January 26, 2000 at 03:45:18, Shep wrote:

>On January 26, 2000 at 00:42:33, Les Fernandez wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know what the maximum number of pieces for Knight, Bishop, Rook and
>>Queens that can legally be arrived at in a game.  For instance I think I
>>remember a post which talked about it but that was some time ago.  It mentioned
>>something about if white had (ie 9 queens then black could only have ????)  If
>>someone has this information and can clearly list the variations for one side
>>having the max # of a particular piece and what the opposite side can have as a
>>max # I would really appreciate it!
>
>If my maths are not completely wrong, it's not so hard:
>Let's first consider the "obvious" case:
>the maximum number of pawns that can promote is 8 (rather trivial to see:
>for each pawn to promote, one opponent pawn must be removed from the respective
>file).
>So both sides combined can have a maximum of 8 extra Q/R/N/B.
>Thus the maximum number of pieces on the board is:
> queens 2+8=10
> rooks/bishops/knights= 4+8=12
>
>Now there's a catch: e.g. White can promote its b-pawn without black having to
>remove its b-pawn! All you have to do is this:
> 1. move the black b-pawn to b5
> 2. move the white b-pawn to the c-file by capturing a black piece on the
>c-file.
> 3. advance the pawn to c5, then capture another black piece on b6 => voila!
>However, although this method allows you to promote *all* 16 pawns, it also
>involves capturing pieces, and each side only has 8 non-pawn pieces to capture,
>so it's not hard to see you're not actually "winning" anything (i.e. getting any
>extra pieces) this way.
>Because, suppose you're promoting all 8 black pawns plus an extra white pawn
>using the method above, then you'd have to capture two black pieces, so although
>the number of QRNB increases by one by promotion, it decreases by 2 due to the
>two captures needed.
>
>q.e.d.

You are doing an extra capture here. e.g. d4 c5 d5 nc6 dc6 and now both the
white pawn at c6 and the black d pawn can queen. I believe (but have not tried)
that with 8 captures you can have all 16 pawns promote.



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