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Subject: Re: A ratio of exponentials

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 17:36:30 01/27/00

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On January 27, 2000 at 20:27:03, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
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>I was taking your wording literally that *speed*, not *depth*, has diminishing
>returns.  Because the speed has to go up exponentially to see more depth.  And
>seeing more depth is the only way to get a better rating (using the same
>program, of course).

I don't think seeing more depth is the only way to get a better rating.  Better
positional understanding is worth more ELO also.  And if we could somehow get
computers to *plan* that would be worth a lot.

I think if you could improve two areas of computer play, it would have an
astronomical payoff.

First, the openings.  People [Er.. Gm's] are a lot better than computers at
understanding opening theory.  If we could couple a computer to a database with
(say) 60 million positions analyzed in detail and with won/loss/draw statistics,
who played them by ELO, etc -- we could make a huge stride in that department.
I suspect (without proof) that 1/2 of all computer program losses against other
computers is due to bad opening book advice.  When you fall out of book at -200,
what can you do?  You have an enormous disadvantage that most of the time will
prove fatal.

Second, the early endgame.  A very average player like me can see mistakes in
computer play in the early endgame.  Once they hit the tablebase files, it's
over.  But when the board is sparse, I think humans have a clear advantage.  If
we could get the computers to operate better in this phase of the game, it would
remove a huge number of the human wins against the machines.

I think both improvements would also mean dramatically better results against
computers also, not just people.

Neither of these would necessarily require more plies.  Just a big pile of data
in the first instance, and improved algorithms in the second.



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