Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:33:37 01/28/00
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On January 28, 2000 at 10:40:23, Chris Carson wrote: >On January 28, 2000 at 08:11:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 28, 2000 at 06:09:13, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On January 28, 2000 at 03:22:28, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>On January 27, 2000 at 22:17:53, Albert Silver wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 21:32:07, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 27, 2000 at 21:18:05, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>[snip] >>>>>>{regarding DB support}: >>>>>>>This is an unforgivable sin here or anywhere else. I think it quite funny >>>>>>>that (a) folks wonder why Hsu doesn't post here; and then (b) attack anything >>>>>>>they do as inferior. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have said this before... They are far better than anybody (other than maybe >>>>>>>myself and a couple of others) give them credit for. Just continue to watch >>>>>>>the analysis of the DB logs. We suddenly discover that (a) they are searching >>>>>>>a lot deeper than some kept thinking; (b) their branching factor is actually >>>>>>>not much worse than the rest of us; (c) etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Best to wait and watch. Lots more will come out over time... But the >>>>>>>naysayers will _never_ be silenced... >>>>>> >>>>>>I find it very puzzling the huge amount of absolute hostility towards Deep Blue >>>>>>[and HERE of all places]! >>>>>> >>>>>>The last match was 1997. That's about 3 years ago, and we still talk about it >>>>>>almost daily. Nothing comes even remotely close to being as interesting as the >>>>>>Deep Blue match. Nothing has ever generated the publicity for computer chess >>>>>>like the Deep Blue match. >>>>>> >>>>>>And yet people are clearly *angry* at the Deep Blue team. Is there some sort of >>>>>>history that would explain it? I keep feeling that I have walked late into a >>>>>>movie and everyone is panning the hero, who seems like such a nice guy. >>>>>> >>>>>>Most amazing of all are the sort of persons who are irate. Almost always >>>>>>incredibly intelligent computer science types. >>>>>> >>>>>>*boggle* >>>>> >>>>>It's human nature. Remember that the last DB news wasn't three years ago but 3 >>>>>weeks ago. Until this news, there had been at least two hopes, however remote: >>>>> >>>>>- DB would somehow and somewhen be taken off the shelf and play another titanic >>>>>match against Kasparov (or anyone) >>>>> >>>>>- DB would be made available to all as a PC card. >>>>> >>>>>DB was by far the strongest chess playing machine ever built. Nothing came >>>>>remotely close (except for its own predecessors). And now we are told clearly >>>>>that neither will ever happen and Hsu has gone off to greener pastures. Nothing >>>>>wrong with this, EXCEPT that Hyatt has made it clear that it is his belief that >>>>>NO ONE will reach that level for another decade because all of its secrets are >>>>>locked away. Everyone, including the programmers, feels deeply cheated. NO DB >>>>>and much worse: no way to build on DB so to get there you have to start from >>>>>scratch. This is simply terrible. It wasn't destroyed, the designers didn't die, >>>>>and the blueprints still exist; they are just locked away, and since Hsu has the >>>>>key, he is the butt of the anger. So the reaction is understandable: rather than >>>>>accept this, many would prefer to tear it down so the pain is lessened. If you >>>>>can believe it will only take 5 years to get there, it seems less tragic. That's >>>>>what I believe this is all about. >>>> >>>>Maybe the fact that they don't play is part of the game? >>>> >>>>Ed >>>> >>> >>>Ed, that is my frustration, although I understand why >>>they limited play before the match, I am confused about not using >>>DBjr after the match with the SSDF or Computer tournament. There >>>is a financial conponent, as well as a reputation component. :) >>> >>>Best Regards, >>>Chris Carson >> >> >>There is also this pretty important person with the title "Vice president of >>marketing." _HE_ makes all the decisions about P/R activities. > >I agree with that. :) > >Best Regards, >Chris Carson That is progress. A common point of agreement is a start. :) Bob
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