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Subject: Re: Can somebody post Fritz's 25 move defeat in Israel? Incredible!

Author: blass uri

Date: 02:54:16 01/30/00

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On January 30, 2000 at 03:10:32, Howard Exner wrote:

>On January 30, 2000 at 02:32:37, blass uri wrote:
>
>>On January 30, 2000 at 02:18:43, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On January 29, 2000 at 23:11:47, blass uri wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 29, 2000 at 17:01:45, Dan Andersson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Im certain he does not mean a forced win, as in a short variation. But black has
>>>>>a very difficult position, do not doubt that. And ss=10 is that 5 moves w.
>>>>>extensions? If so, the cm should have big trouble defending the position. Btw h6
>>>>>weakens blacks position considerably.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards Dan Andersson
>>>>
>>>>I do not think that h6 weakens blacks position considerably.
>>>>The opposite.
>>>>it prepares Bg5 for the future.
>>>>
>>>>I believe that Rxf7 is the best move after h6 otherwise chessmaster could
>>>>probably find something better than Rxf7.
>>>>
>>>>chessmaster is very strong at tactics in this position and if there was
>>>>something for white it could probably find it.
>>>>
>>>>I guess that ss=10 is more than 5 moves extension.
>>>>chessmaster can find evaluation of more than 4 pawns advanatge for white for
>>>>black's move Qe8 in 10-15 minutes of search and I believe that you need more
>>>>than 10 moves of extension to do it.
>>>>
>>>>chessmaster found h6 after 4-5 hours so if there is a tactical combination for
>>>>white it must be more than 3 plies deeper than Rf6.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>I found that 20...h6 instead of Qe8(and not only 20...a4 Rf3 h6) is  not losing
>>>more than a pawn.
>>>
>>>chessmaster finds nothing better than Rf6 Kh7 Rxf7
>>>
>>>I suspect that there are other reasonable moves for black(for example
>>>chessmaster could not find a win for white after Qc8 in the first few minutes)
>>>Uri
>>
>>I see it needs more than 20 minutes to see that Rf6 wins against Qc8 at depth
>>2/12 (after the game move it needed less than 3 minutes to see that Rf6 is
>>winning at depth 1/11)
>>
>>Uri
>
>This is turning out to be a fascinating position for computers to play over.
>Does any computer play 20. ... a4 in say less than ten minutes?

Junior5.9 changes its mind from 20...Qe8 to 20...a4 in something between 6 and 7
minutes.

It did not see the losing evaluation for Qe8 and prefered a4 by only a small
part of a pawn.

>
>How would computers continue after a line like the following:
>20. Qh5 a4 21. h3 axb3 22. axb3
>
>Here white is planning to play actively with the rooks while tucking the king
>away to h2 if necessary.

Here the main line of chessmaster6000 after 2 hours begin with 22...Qe8
23.Rf6 g6 24.Qh6 Kh8 25.R1f4 g5 26.Rf1 with 0.44 pawns advantage for white.

Uri



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