Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:32:02 02/06/00
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On February 06, 2000 at 13:17:31, Ed Schröder wrote: >On February 06, 2000 at 10:34:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On February 05, 2000 at 21:20:37, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On February 05, 2000 at 21:05:31, Sune Larsson wrote: >>> >>>>On February 05, 2000 at 20:24:10, Peter Kappler wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 17:19:49, Sune Larsson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 12:54:14, Peter Kappler wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 12:40:24, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 12:26:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 12:00:45, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Ban left the cct tourney, because Hyatt was censoring him. Actually, he seems, >>>>>>>>>>he left 3 minutes after Bob removed him his censor list. So junior will be >>>>>>>>>>forfeited and the round re-paired. Everybody is pissed at Ban. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Here is what happened: About 3 months ago, Amir directly accused me of writing >>>>>>>>>code in crafty that was only there to 'abuse' the opponents. IE playing on in >>>>>>>>>dead lost games, moving quickly to run the opponent out of time, etc... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I absolutely do not do that, and I told him so. He kept the claim alive. I >>>>>>>>>told him that if he felt like that, then obviously he wouldn't want to play >>>>>>>>>a program that is that abusive (if you had seen his history on ICC, you would >>>>>>>>>have noticed that 90% of his games were against me, which is hard to understand >>>>>>>>>if my program was _so_ abusively written.) I then told him here that I was >>>>>>>>>going to +censor him on ICC, that he could play anybody else he wanted. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>At 10:45 this morning, I saw him on and told crafty to tell him "I am playing >>>>>>>>>a game with diepx, but I will adjourn it right before start time." I then >>>>>>>>>discovered that the "censor" was on (I had totally forgotten about it). At >>>>>>>>>10:45 (15 minutes before the round started) I disconnected crafty, then logged >>>>>>>>>in myself and removed the censor for ban. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I had also censored him but had forgotten about that as well. Apparently >>>>>>>>>right around the time I was removing the censor, he logged on and told the >>>>>>>>>tournament channel that he wasn't playing until I apologized for the censor on >>>>>>>>>CCC. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I'm _not_ apologizing, as _I_ didn't make the outrageous statement that I >>>>>>>>>had written crafty specifically to behave in an abusive way. I had planned >>>>>>>>>on lifting the censor for the tournament game, and then put it back on, as I >>>>>>>>>won't play him with a program he claims is "abusive" until he retracts that >>>>>>>>>nonsense. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>That is all that I know. I didn't see his tells in 164 as I was logged on as >>>>>>>>>Crafty removing the censor. I have no idea what he said, specifically... and >>>>>>>>>see no reason to storm off in a huff. He _knows_ why he was censored. And >>>>>>>>>even if I had not remembered by 11am, a simple request to the TD could have >>>>>>>>>fixed the problem... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>That's all there is. What happens next is anybody's guess. It certainly does >>>>>>>>>screw up a lot of stuff for a lot of people. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Much of this is grossly inaccurate, but never mind this now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Bob has been censoring me ever since the "snot" post he wrote here. For those >>>>>>>>who who don't know what ICC "censor" is, it means you don't play with the >>>>>>>>person, and do not agree to hear any message from him either. He's beneath you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I've been aware of it of course. Bob did not discover this. I did, 10 minutes >>>>>>>>before the game, that the censor is still on. I tried to talk to the TD, but he >>>>>>>>was not there. I wrote a message on the tournament channel, that my opponenet is >>>>>>>>censoring me, and I'm leaving. I said if he wants to play, he can apologize on >>>>>>>>CCC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I did not withdraw from the tournament. I clarified this to Bruce later. Bob can >>>>>>>>get a point for this game. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Amir, this is crap. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You walked out of the tourney 10 minutes before it started. You know damned >>>>>>>well that Bob would have lifted the censor so the game could be played. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Your actions were extremely childish, and I'm afraid I have lost much of my >>>>>>>respect for you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>--Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> So this censoring thing is not childish?! >>>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Yes, it is childish, too. Big egos usually don't mix well. >>>>> >>>>>--Peter >>>> >>>> Generally I'm a bit surprised to see that the "big egos" don't seem to >>>> understand that they shrink themselves as humans, by acting like this... >>>> To much stress on pride and prestige, maybe, who knows? Think I return >>>> to my cup of tea... >>>> >>>> Thanks >>> >>> >>>I see nothing wrong with the original censor. >>>The reason was clear enough at the time it happened. >>>It would have helped to remove it prior to the start >>>of the tourney, but as Dr. Hyatt explained he forgot, >>>which is also understandable. Amir's leaving should be >>>seen the same way "understandable" in the circumstances. >>> >>>Seems to me, MHO, a whole big deal was made out of this >>>thing, by all parties, but even more by those who were >>>not the principals. If the rest of us could stay out maybe, >>>just maybe, Dr. Hyatt and Amir would have already settled this.!! >>>Thanks. >> >> >>I "settled" it 3 months ago, in fact. >> >>:) > >You know what Bob? Amir was right leaving yesterday! Glad I am not >participating. > >Ed And that is supposed to impress me? This event was between _programs_, not between the operators. If you think his action was correct, that is your problem to resolve. It most definitely was _not_. > >>that "resolution" will continue, as it worked then and it continues to work.
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