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Subject: Re: Junior forfeits to Crafty!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:32:02 02/06/00

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On February 06, 2000 at 13:17:31, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On February 06, 2000 at 10:34:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 05, 2000 at 21:20:37, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On February 05, 2000 at 21:05:31, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 20:24:10, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 17:19:49, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 12:54:14, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 12:40:24, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 12:26:13, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 12:00:45, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Ban left the cct tourney, because Hyatt was censoring him. Actually, he seems,
>>>>>>>>>>he left 3 minutes after Bob removed him his censor list. So junior will be
>>>>>>>>>>forfeited and the round re-paired. Everybody is pissed at Ban.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Here is what happened:  About 3 months ago, Amir directly accused me of writing
>>>>>>>>>code in crafty that was only there to 'abuse' the opponents.  IE playing on in
>>>>>>>>>dead lost games, moving quickly to run the opponent out of time, etc...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I absolutely do not do that, and I told him so.  He kept the claim alive.  I
>>>>>>>>>told him that if he felt like that, then obviously he wouldn't want to play
>>>>>>>>>a program that is that abusive (if you had seen his history on ICC, you would
>>>>>>>>>have noticed that 90% of his games were against me, which is hard to understand
>>>>>>>>>if my program was _so_ abusively written.)  I then told him here that I was
>>>>>>>>>going to +censor him on ICC, that he could play anybody else he wanted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>At 10:45 this morning, I saw him on and told crafty to tell him "I am playing
>>>>>>>>>a game with diepx, but I will adjourn it right before start time."  I then
>>>>>>>>>discovered that the "censor" was on (I had totally forgotten about it).  At
>>>>>>>>>10:45 (15 minutes before the round started) I disconnected crafty, then logged
>>>>>>>>>in myself and removed the censor for ban.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I had also censored him but had forgotten about that as well.  Apparently
>>>>>>>>>right around the time I was removing the censor, he logged on and told the
>>>>>>>>>tournament channel that he wasn't playing until I apologized for the censor on
>>>>>>>>>CCC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm _not_ apologizing, as _I_ didn't make the outrageous statement that I
>>>>>>>>>had written crafty specifically to behave in an abusive way.  I had planned
>>>>>>>>>on lifting the censor for the tournament game, and then put it back on, as I
>>>>>>>>>won't play him with a program he claims is "abusive" until he retracts that
>>>>>>>>>nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That is all that I know.  I didn't see his tells in 164 as I was logged on as
>>>>>>>>>Crafty removing the censor.  I have no idea what he said, specifically... and
>>>>>>>>>see no reason to storm off in a huff.  He _knows_ why he was censored.  And
>>>>>>>>>even if I had not remembered by 11am, a simple request to the TD could have
>>>>>>>>>fixed the problem...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's all there is.  What happens next is anybody's guess.  It certainly does
>>>>>>>>>screw up a lot of stuff for a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Much of this is grossly inaccurate, but never mind this now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bob has been censoring me ever since the "snot" post he wrote here. For those
>>>>>>>>who who don't know what ICC "censor" is, it means you don't play with the
>>>>>>>>person, and do not agree to hear any message from him either. He's beneath you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've been aware of it of course. Bob did not discover this. I did, 10 minutes
>>>>>>>>before the game, that the censor is still on. I tried to talk to the TD, but he
>>>>>>>>was not there. I wrote a message on the tournament channel, that my opponenet is
>>>>>>>>censoring me, and I'm leaving. I said if he wants to play, he can apologize on
>>>>>>>>CCC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I did not withdraw from the tournament. I clarified this to Bruce later. Bob can
>>>>>>>>get a point for this game.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Amir, this is crap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You walked out of the tourney 10 minutes before it started.  You know damned
>>>>>>>well that Bob would have lifted the censor so the game could be played.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your actions were extremely childish, and I'm afraid I have lost much of my
>>>>>>>respect for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So this censoring thing is not childish?!
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, it is childish, too.  Big egos usually don't mix well.
>>>>>
>>>>>--Peter
>>>>
>>>> Generally I'm a bit surprised to see that the "big egos" don't seem to
>>>> understand that they shrink themselves as humans, by acting like this...
>>>> To much stress on pride and prestige, maybe, who knows? Think I return
>>>> to my cup of tea...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>I see nothing wrong with the original censor.
>>>The reason was clear enough at the time it happened.
>>>It would have helped to remove it prior to the start
>>>of the tourney, but as Dr. Hyatt explained he forgot,
>>>which is also understandable. Amir's leaving should be
>>>seen the same way "understandable" in the circumstances.
>>>
>>>Seems to me, MHO, a whole big deal was made out of this
>>>thing, by all parties, but even more by those who were
>>>not the principals. If the rest of us could stay out maybe,
>>>just maybe, Dr. Hyatt and Amir would have already settled this.!!
>>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>>I "settled" it 3 months ago, in fact.
>>
>>:)
>
>You know what Bob? Amir was right leaving yesterday! Glad I am not
>participating.
>
>Ed


And that is supposed to impress me?  This event was between _programs_, not
between the operators.  If you think his action was correct, that is your
problem to resolve.  It most definitely was _not_.





>
>>that "resolution" will continue, as it worked then and it continues to work.



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