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Subject: Re: J6 eliminats Illescas- What does Hyatt have to say?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:58:39 02/14/00

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On February 14, 2000 at 13:15:27, blass uri wrote:

>On February 14, 2000 at 11:33:20, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>
>>On February 14, 2000 at 10:49:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On February 14, 2000 at 09:49:53, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 13, 2000 at 23:05:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 13, 2000 at 20:57:12, Bradley Woodward wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 13, 2000 at 17:48:35, John Kilkenny wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  No attack,  Just answr the question dude.  His name is brought up because he
>>>>>>>is the most ardent supporter of the anti comp GM campaign.  Also in the minds of
>>>>>>>many, he holds sway over the minds of the uneducated bretheren of chess.  We
>>>>>>>fight for the release of those minds :).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I just had a look at the 'best c' list on ICC.  That's the list that shows the
>>>>>>top 20 human and computer players.  Out of the 20 in the blitz list, only three
>>>>>>are computers.  This is a big difference from a while ago.  Ferret plows in at
>>>>>>#2, throwing my otherwards cool point into a spin.  But you get that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe that had ferret been active over the past few months, its rating
>>>>>would have dropped significantly as well.  I think it might be the best thing
>>>>>on ICC, but there are a lot of new players there, using faster and faster
>>>>>hardware, with strong programs.  None of us are +400 over the commercial
>>>>>programs, even with a fairly significant hardware advantage.  This 'advantage'
>>>>>is almost gone now, with the super-G lonnies has actually being faster than my
>>>>>quad xeon by 30% (factoring in SMP overhead).
>>>>
>>>>Seems to me that GMs are winning back some ground. There was a time computers
>>>>nearly "owned" blitz. Computers have gone a good deal faster/stronger since
>>>>then, but and still only 3 C's in the top 20 Blitz? In a while there will be no
>>>>C at all :-) And that's Blitz...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Shhh... do you want the 'computers are unbeatable GM players' group on your
>>>case too?  :)
>>
>>Wouldn't bother me at all :)
>>
>>But I've SEEN things they people wouldn't believe... (from "The bladerunner")
>>
>>But seriously I have seen a GM tear a fast Crafty completely apart in a 5 0 game
>>which was *extremely* tactical. Hanging pieces everywhere, both kings unsafe and
>>the GM came out winning. Unbelievable. How in the world can they oversee such a
>>battlefield in 1 second...? If they can do *that* in a 5 0 game...
>
>Maybe it was an home preperation when the GM saw everything before the game.
>It is also possible that the GM was lucky and the moves that he guessed to be
>the best were really the best moves.
>
>Everything can happen in one game and I will not be surprised if a GM wins one
>tactical game at 1/0 time control against crafty.
>
>The question is about a match of many games
>
>Uri


I have seen crafty lose 4 game matches with GM players.  It might win 9 of
every 10 such matches, but losses happen.  I have seen _all_ programs lose to
GM players at blitz on ICC.  I have seen all automated programs lose at 1 0 on
ICC.  Not regularly, but enough that I would _never_ bet money on a 5 game
match, under any circumstances, any program, any hardware.



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