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Subject: Re: More facts about the Junior - Adams match

Author: Alvaro Rodriguez

Date: 10:25:52 02/17/00

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On February 17, 2000 at 12:45:02, Terry Presgrove wrote:

>On February 17, 2000 at 11:48:53, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On February 17, 2000 at 10:39:28, Mig wrote:
>>
>>>Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>>This is Mig Greengard, also of KasparovChess.com and, by the way, the mystery VP
>>>mentioned by my good friend, basketball star Shay Bushinsky. I thought I would
>>>add some comments and clarifications to what was unquestionably a total disaster
>>>and also a very emotional situation for Shay and Amir, as well as Mickey Adams.
>>>
>>>We've all been through about four hours of non-stop phone calls around the world
>>>regarding this episode tonight. [Now last night, I wrote this late last night
>>>but didn't want to post till I heard from Amir and/or Shay.] It was a lose-lose
>>>situation for all concerned and Shay and Amir lost worse than the rest.
>>>
>>>Before I go on it's VERY important to me to say that GM Adams behaved at all
>>>times in a very sportsmanlike manner and in no way insisted on anything
>>>unreasonable at any time. I don't really expect the audience here to see things
>>>from a human player's point of view (!), but I do wish to stress that he was
>>>accomodating until things just got out of hand at a very late hour.
>>>
>>>Criticism, and there is plenty to go around, should be centered on
>>>KasparovChess.com and our lack of proper documentation for the players. When
>>>things broke down we had no real rule book to refer the players to, no list of
>>>contingency plans or time limits for how long a communications breakdown should
>>>be to be considered a forfeit, etc. So instead of simply referring to a rulebook
>>>we had a nightmare of phonecalls and recrimination. As embarrassing as this poor
>>>preparation is for me and all of us, I prefer it to seeing GM Adams undeservedly
>>>criticized or rumors of conspiracy floated.
>>>
>>
>>I don't know if there was a rulebook to refer to, but there were arbiters, and
>>(at Kasparov's insistence, I think) the matter was referred to the chief arbiter
>>Postovisky. I noticed that your statement on KC.com was vague on the fact that
>>he made a definite ruling, and on what that ruling was, so let's make it public
>>here: Postovisky ruled that the first game is a draw and the second game should
>>be played.
>>
>>The chain of events is that KC management wanted to forfeit the match before
>>Postovisky made the ruling. After the ruling, when we convened for the telecon,
>>as you remember my first question was if the arbiter's ruling changes KC's mind
>>about forfeit, and the answer was NO.
>>
>>
>>>As for human players, most of them are going to blame, and not necessarily
>>>incorrectly, ANY AND ALL technology-related delays on us. That's because as
>>>organizers we have an obligation to make sure things are working for each
>>>player. If it's not, the levels of stress involved are not conducive to decent
>>>chess, in a human. If both players had been human I believe everyone would have
>>>had a different attitude. Discrimination against the machine? Probably, but as
>>>it gets later and later, as nerves and five hours of tension build, a human is
>>>at a severe disadvantage against a computer. Plus, it was Junior's connection
>>>that went down. Adams, due to his ongoing match against Seirawan, was unable to
>>>change dates without breaking his commitment to the organizers and sponsor
>>>there, so really had no choice. Starting the second game at 7 p.m. with no
>>>guarantee that there would be no further problems was not a serious option.
>>>Eventually a deadline had to be set, he could not be expected to sit there
>>>through dinner time on the edge of his seat waiting for the call to start play.
>>>
>>
>>The timeline simply did not happen this way. In Bermuda time, the draw was
>>agreed around 4:40, and we said we would start in about 20 minutes. I posted to
>>this effect on this board. Communication looked normal at the time, and KC
>>wanted the break in order to install the timestamp feature.
>>
>>As far as I know, we were ready to start around 5 pm, and the only reason this
>>didn't happen is that at that time Adams was asking for a a forfeit. According
>>to my timekeeping, there was less than 40 minutes between the conclusion of a
>>draw and the demand for forfeit. So far as I know, we were ready at the time to
>>play, but this was not asked. It was not so much "Can you start now, or you
>>forfeit ?" but simply "You forfeit".
>>
>>So there were no evening hours involved here for Adams. It was pretty much over
>>a few minutes after 5 pm for him, and while I have no first-hand knowldedge
>>direct knowledge of who was driving this I didn't see any real interest in
>>Bermuda in whether we can play.
>>
>>Amir
>
>
> This is a very sad day for computer chess and in point of fact chess period.
> You got screwed and there is little to be said that would give comfort. I
> would hope that at a very minimum they would return your entree fee and give
> assurances that DJ would be invited to the next Kasparov event of your choice!
> Assuming they can get their act together -,)
>
> TP

I heard that Deep Junior is going to play many more events done by KC and that
Deep Junior is going to play the next 2 KC Grandprix. The only thing that
remains is to fix a Deep Junior - Winner of KC Grand prix...

Alvaro



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