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Subject: Re: Strength of CSTal (little off-topic = quantum physics)

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 13:58:21 02/19/00

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On February 19, 2000 at 15:20:59, KarinsDad wrote:
>That's fine. My point is only that the results are what are recorded.
>
>Fischer was FIDE world champion (what). He declined to play FIDE championship
>matches (why). Karpov became the FIDE world champion (what).
>
>Kasparov was FIDE world champion (what). He declines to play FIDE championship
>matches (why). Khalifman is now FIDE world champion (what).
>
>The "why" IS important for a variety of reasons as you pointed out (I was being
>a little too disparaging of it in my last message). But, it is only a reason (or
>a series of reasons). It is not the outcome.

Force = reason = what= mechanistical paradigm = pre-quantum-physics !
Force = sense = why = quantum paradigm = paradigm of 21st century!

reason and force are cartesianic explanations about the world.
SENSE and synchronicities are post-cartesianic = today's explanations.

old paradigms ask for WHAT.
today's paradigm asks fort why.

the things are connected via reason by forces. this is the "what" that happens.
and also there is SENSE that connectes things, via synchronicities.
these "force" can only be explained with today's physics.

when you ask for WHAT happens (result) and leave out the WHY (sense),
than you live in the 16th - 20th century world.

a little old fashioned IMO.

>People who ignore the outcome and look for reasons why the outcome was not some
>other outcome often come up with excuses. That is what bothers me.

as i said: you forget that the sense also connects the things.
nothing happens or is connected without sense.
particles are connected via sense , via infinite distances, in an instant.

they are connected to all particles they ever exchanged sense.
and never lose this connection. this way sense comes into the world.
newtons forces are local. and they need time to happen.
sense is IMO a very very important thing. giordano bruno e.g. was not burned
because of reason, but because of sense.
same for martin-luther king. or jesus. they all fought for sense.
and although their ideas existed only in their minds, it was a much bigger
danger for the other countries/races/enemies than e.g. hussein or
milosevic or others.

so they killed luther-king and luxemburg and giordano bruno because of an idea!
and they did not kill hussein or milosevic because they only killed some people.

material world is not much important, it seems. much more dangerous are
ideals/ideas. a joke can be more dangerous than a bomb.
it all depends.

so result is not so important for me.
the way and how you go is IMO much mor important.



>If the
>outcome had been something else, then a series of different people would be
>looking at the reasons why the outcome was not the first outcome.


outcome: hussein, milosevic ! where is your "outcome" ??

you see: the outcome is unimportant. the SENSE would be much more important.

>The "how and why" as you state ALSO applies to the winner as well as the losers.
>People tend to forget the vast effort put in by the winners and focus on some
>piddling reason why the losers didn't win. Hogwash.

wrong. the people applause for the winner and forget that without the losers the
event would not have happened.
you are wrong IMO.
the people only buy the winning program. nobody looks for the 2nd or 3rd or 4th
program. therefore ICCA gives the title. therefore you can make money
out of it when you are 1st. when you are 1st in ssdf-list.

you are completely wrong. this is a capitalistic world.
people do ONLY look for results. only look for the best.
the loser is unimportant. life begins to lose sense.
people begin to lose sense. life, human beeings begin to be unimportant.
only the results count.

this is wrong.

the sense is more important. the way , the dignity of the people.
that is important IMO.
you are - sorry - IMO completely on the wrong track.


>All part of the game in
>computer chess, just like in human chess, just like in real life.

right. and therefore you are wrong.

2 point of views ! sorry.

>KarinsDad :)



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