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Subject: Re: Multiple processors on one chip...

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:28:55 03/03/00

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On March 03, 2000 at 22:19:51, Jeremiah Penery wrote:

>On March 03, 2000 at 20:05:57, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>On March 03, 2000 at 17:08:58, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>Problem is the compilers don't know what is going on.  IE how many "hidden"
>>>registers does the architecture have for renaming?  Intel (nor anyone else)
>>>will make this a 'constant'.
>>
>>But my point is, why have register renaming at all. I can list a dozen good
>>processors that don't do it. I would like to know the exact percentage speedup
>>it gives you.
>>
>>>And how does the P5 do more per cycle than a P6 when the p6 can do three
>>>ops/cycle, while the P5 drags along at a max of 2, and it requires a very
>>>good compiler to do two at a time???
>>
>>TSCP (1.42) on an original Pentium/200 searches 136 NPS/MHz.
>>
>>On a Pentium II/300, it searches 119 NPS/MHz.
>>
>>So the Pentium appears to be 15% faster, despite its lack of out-of-order
>>execution, branch predition, speculative execution, register renaming,
>>reservation stations, blah blah blah.
>>
>>I assume this is because the P5 has shorter pipes and doesn't have to flush them
>>all the time due to speculative execution gone wrong.
>>
>>(BTW, the K5 has almost everything beat. It searches 173 NPS/MHz, and it doesn't
>>do anything particularly fancy either.)
>
>Maybe your original statement should have been more like: "_For TSCP_, the
>original Pentium does more work per clock-cycle than the PII."  Because this
>will likely not be the case for other programs.  I know a lot of programs favor
>the AMD chips over the Intel ones.  There are other programs that highly favor
>the Intel chips.  Crafty, for instance, does a bunch more work/cycle on the
>Intel P6 chips than it does on any other chips (not including Alpha and such).


I wasn't thinking carefully earlier, but should have suggested that maybe
TSCP is much smaller and more 'cache-friendly' than a larger program like
crafty.  The AMD processors had historically had a good cache/cpu interface,
which would favor such a program more than one needing good memory bandwidth.



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