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Subject: Re: Some advise about 5 piece TB?

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 01:34:54 03/04/00

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On March 03, 2000 at 11:39:33, Ernst Walet wrote:

>On March 03, 2000 at 10:50:25, Harald Faber wrote:
>
>>On March 03, 2000 at 09:47:28, Ernst Walet wrote:
>>
>>>This is what Fritz6a produces with 3 and 4 piece endgame tablebases.  Is what
>>>you describe a problem with having incomplete 5 piece TBs?
>>>
>>>Ernst.
>>
>>It must be an engine problem. All other engines under Fritz6(-GUI) for
>>understandable reasons don't consider Qf4.
>>I have all 3-, 4- and 5-man TBs installed, with them Fritz6a sticks to Qf4. If I
>>remove the Tablebase-entry from the chssbase.ini Fritz6a also does not consider
>>Qf4.
>>If it were a GUI-problem the other engines would have the same problem.
>>If you get the output below maybe the handling of 5-man-TBs has some bugs?
>>
>
>Maybe you could try without the 5 piece TBs and see what happens then.  I´m
>quite curious about this.


Sorry, I won't pick them out of my TB directory, unnecessarily takes too long.
Another guy already found that you need to have the 3-man, 4-man TBs and the
KQPKQ-5-man to see that behaviour.


>>>New position
>>>[D]8/5p2/8/5K2/Q7/4k3/P4q2/8 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Analysis by Fritz 6:
>>
>>
>>Did you use Fritz6 or Fritz6a? Maybe this also makes a difference?
>>
>
>Version 6a, as stated at the beginning of my previous message.
>
>Ernst.
>
>>
>>>1.Ke5 Qg3+ 2.Kd5 Qf3+ 3.Ke5
>>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:00
>>>1.Ke5 Qg3+ 2.Kd5 Qf3+ 3.Kc5
>>>  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
>>>1.Ke5 Qg3+ 2.Kd5 Qf3+ 3.Kc5
>>>  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
>>>1.Ke5 Qg3+ 2.Kd5 Qg5+ 3.Kd6 f5
>>>  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00  2kN
>>>1.Ke5 Qg3+ 2.Kd5 Qf3+ 3.Kc5 Qh5+ 4.Kd6 f5
>>>  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 5/14   00:00:00  6kN
>>>1.Ke5 Qg3+ 2.Kd5 Qg5+ 3.Kd6 Qg6+ 4.Kd5 Qe6+
>>>  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 6/16   00:00:00  21kN
>>>1.Ke5 Qg3+ 2.Kd5 Qg5+ 3.Kd6 Qf6+ 4.Kd5 Qe6+
>>>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 7/17   00:00:01  42kN, tb=2
>>>1.Ke5 Qg3+ 2.Kd5 Qg5+ 3.Kd6 Qf6+ 4.Kd7 Qe6+ 5.Kc7 f5
>>>  ³  (-0.53)   Depth: 8/20   00:00:02  96kN, tb=17
>>>1.Ke5 Qg3+ 2.Kd5 Qg5+ 3.Kd6 Qf6+ 4.Kd5 Qe6+ 5.Kc5 Qe5+
>>>  ³  (-0.53)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:05  267kN, tb=78
>>>1.Kg5
>>>  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:07  753kN, tb=132
>>>1.Kg5 Qg3+ 2.Qg4 Qe5+ 3.Qf5 Kd4 4.Qxe5+ Kxe5
>>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:10  1589kN, tb=205
>>>1.Kg5 Qg3+ 2.Qg4 Qe5+ 3.Qf5 Kd4 4.Qxe5+ Kxe5
>>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10/24   00:00:12  2222kN, tb=487
>>>1.Kg5 Qg3+ 2.Qg4 Qe5+ 3.Qf5 Kd4 4.Qxe5+ Kxe5
>>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:17  3638kN, tb=1341
>>>1.Kg5 Qg3+ 2.Qg4 Qe5+ 3.Qf5 Kd4 4.Qxe5+ Kxe5
>>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 12/28   00:00:26  6390kN, tb=3176
>>>1.Kg5 Qg3+ 2.Qg4 Qe5+ 3.Qf5 Kd4 4.Qxe5+ Kxe5
>>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/30   00:00:45  12637kN, tb=8267
>>>1.Kg5 Qg3+ 2.Qg4 Qe5+ 3.Qf5 Kd4 4.Qxe5+ Kxe5
>>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14/33   00:01:33  28906kN, tb=19653
>>>1.Kg5 Qg3+ 2.Qg4 Qe5+ 3.Qf5 Kd4 4.Qxe5+ Kxe5
>>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 15/36   00:03:39  70375kN, tb=42044



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